Tuesday, 16 June 2026

Cemil Aydin on Pan-Islamism

 
An article by Prof. Cemil Aydin, published by Aeon asks- 

What is the Muslim world?

If the Government of a country says it is a Muslim country and that it belongs to a wider Muslim World, then the set of such countries is the Muslim World. 57 countries are members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). 8 of those countries don't have a Muslim majority. All Muslim majority countries are members. 

One reason less developed countries may want to join the OIC is so as to push through social reform and to abolish superstitious practices in their own socieities. The traditionalists may say 'we have always done things this way', but the reformer replies- 'other Muslim countries are abandoning this practice. We should do so too otherwise we will get the reputation of being backward and lacking in religious instruction.'. 

Islamists and Western pundits speak of ‘the West’ and ‘the Muslim world’ but such tribalism is dangerous colonial propaganda

Nonsense! NATO actually exists. So does the OIC. Both were created after Colonialism had gone into terminal decline. 


Islamists and Western pundits speak of ‘the West’ and ‘the Muslim world’ but such tribalism is dangerous colonial propaganda

Since there is no colonialism, there is no colonial propaganda.  A thing which does not exist isn't dangerous at all. Islam is seen as a way of overcoming tribalism. 

ON 17 May 1919 in Paris, three Indian Muslim leaders

who were part of the Indian Delegation headed by Secretary of State Montague. 

met the United States’ president Woodrow Wilson

The British, French & Italian Premiers were also present 

to

represent the views of the Government of India. Wilson had been reluctant to give India a seat in the League but the size of the Indian army and its role in the MENA meant it could not be ignored. 

make a case for the preservation of the Ottoman caliphate in Istanbul,

I think, the Brits hoped that the Caliph would become their puppet in the manner of the Nizam (whose sons would later marry daughters of the Caliph) of Hyderabad.

The Indian Muslim delegates were aware of intense anger amongst young Muslims back home over the Italian conquest of Libya & Ottoman losses in the Balkans. 

and for the national self-determination of Anatolia as a homeland for Turkish Muslims.

It was true that the Muslim world supported the Ottoman Caliph and did not want the Greeks to gain Smyrna. But the reason these three Indian Muslims were able to meet Wilson was because they had been put on the Imperial delegation for the purpose of reflecting the views of the India office. I may mention this happened a month after the Jallianwallah Bagh atrocity and a little after the beginning of the third Afghan war. 

Montague began the discussion by saying 

Mr. President and Gentlemen, I think I can first express our heartfelt thanks for this opportunity of stating our case, because we feel deeply that you gentlemen, who are pursuing the peace of the world in this room, are likely to endanger for a long time to come the peace of the world in the East unless you realize the strength of Mohammedan feeling against the sort of peace that we hear rumored as a result of the war with Turkey. 

Montague is saying 'there is a Muslim world and a Muslim public opinion. If you ignore it, there will be war'. 

The Government of India feel this particularly strongly;

Because those who serve the GoI actually live cheek by jowl with the 'Muslim world' & 'the Hindu world'. What is particularly worrying is that these two worlds- along with that of the Bolshevik- are uniting against us. 

 but I would propose today, with your permission, that you should hear the case from my Indian colleagues. The case is always the more forceful when presented by the inhabitants of the country itself, than by one who is privileged to represent them. I am accompanied here this afternoon by my two colleagues on the Imperial British Indian Delegation who are both Hindus. Their object in coming here this afternoon is to demonstrate by the words which they will address to you subsequently the depth and reality with which Hindu Indians sympathize with the case of Mohammedan Indians.

The Indians advocated for the independence of what they called ‘the last remaining Muslim power in the world’.

Iran had declined greatly but it was still independent though Britain was determined to dominate the oil producing portion of it. 

Indian Muslim leaders speaking up on behalf of an Ottoman caliphate might appear to represent a global Muslim unity, but such a conclusion would be a mistake.

It is possible that the India Office hoped that Wilson would restrain George & Clemenceau. But it was also true that all three Muslims saw themselves as part of the wider Muslim ummah. They themselves had done well under the Raj but if power slipped away from the British governing class, they themselves might be consigned to the dustbin of history. 

In fact, the details, arguments and ideals of the meeting reveal how incoherent and misleading the prevalent presumption is of any distinction between ‘the Muslim world’ and ‘the West’.

The opposite is the case. Montague was saying 'beware the wrath of the Muslim world!' Would Lloyd George come to his senses if he was reminded that India could see a second Mutiny? Don't forget, the Afghans had launched a war two weeks previously. 

The Indian Muslims made their case for Turkish independence by appeals to Wilson’s 14 points for peace.

How very strange! When appealing to an important guy you don't mention stuff he has himself committed himself to. You tell him he sucks donkey ass instead.  

Wilson, it must be said, didn't think darkies could rule themselves and thus was sceptical of the demand that India be given a seat at the new League of Nations. 

Their success in getting the meeting with Wilson owed

everything to the fact that Montague included them in his delegation 

much to their sacrifice as soldiers in the British army fighting and defeating the German-Ottoman alliance.

There were 300,000 to 500,000 Indian troops in the MENA at that time.  

Edwin Montagu, Secretary of State for British-ruled India,

led the delegation.  

arranged the meeting because he

thought Lloyd George & Clemenceau had gone crazy. Both were backing Venizelos, the heroic Greek Prime Minister, who hoped to gain even more territory for his country. He was defeated in the 1920 election because his people were exhausted after 8 years of war. The truth is, for all their courage, Greeks, even with allied help, could not hope to take and keep Smyrna from the Turks.

Montague & Chelmsford were worried that the Jallianwallah atrocity- in April- had alienated Sikhs and Hindus. Muslims were being influenced by 'Hijrat'. The Aghans took the opportunity to invade on May 3. It took three months to crush them. Sadly, Lloyd George was in a Messianic mood. He saw himself as prevailing where the Crusaders had failed. 

In May 1919,  Italian forces landed in Antalya and showed signs of moving troops toward Smyrna. Seizing the opportunity created by a temporary Italian walkout at the conference, Lloyd George fabricated reports of imminent threats to Christian minorities in the area.

Thus, in Mid-May, faced with Italian maneuvers, French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and U.S. President Woodrow Wilson agreed to support a Greek occupation. The Allied Council authorized the Greeks to land in Smyrna with Allied naval and military backing, an operation that commenced on May 15, 1919. Lloyd George subsequently encouraged the Greek army to advance further east into Anatolia, with the intention of forcing the Ottoman government into accepting the punitive Treaty of Sèvres in August 1920.

Montague, who was Jewish, had no reason to believe that a Twentieth Century Crusade against Islam would be at all desirable. 

The following interchange between him and his PM is interesting


Montague- 'I don’t know whether you have heard of the very serious trouble that we have had in the Punjab in India, where certain Hindu seditionists, largely influenced I believe by outside influences, largely influenced, I believe, by Bolshevik influences, 

Ataturk would in fact ally with the Bolsheviks. Montague's intelligence network gave him an insight into a new chapter in the Great Game whereby Moscow had supplanted Berlin as the Mecca for anti-Imperialist Indians. 

were stirring up the people to resist the laws of the land. The Mosques were thrown open to them, and the non-Mussulman, the non-believer, the Hindu, was invited into the Mohammedan pulpit to preach opposition to the laws of the Indian Government, a thing which never happened before in the history of the world, I should imagine, and it would have been regarded by the old-fashioned Mohammedan as a desecration of their Mosques. 

Montague is referring to the fact that Swami Shraddhanand, a revered Arya Samaj leader, addressed a massive congregation from the pulpit of the Jama Masjid in Delhi on April 4, 1919Seven years later, he was killed by a Muslim fanatic.

Now, this is due, not to one item, but to a whole series of items. 

Allenby's taking control of Jerusalem- the third holiest place in Islam- had itself been a shock as had the Balfour declaration. 

The talk about Constantinople began it; the rumors of the landing of Italian and Greek soldiers in Asia Minor, the suggestions that the Mosque of San Sofia should be rededicated as a Christian Church,—all these things have brought into these people’s minds the belief that despite what was said to them during the war, this war has turned out to be a war of non-Mohammedans against Mohammedans, a war of non-Moslem faiths against the Moslem faith; and the feeling which has been shown by my colleagues today merely makes me implore you to remember that that feeling, if it is not corrected by the terms of peace, may endanger the peace of the world throughout the East, and may add to the already dangerous elements in Russia.

Mr. Lloyd-George: Surely, Mr. Secretary of State, the Mohammedans of India must know that most of the fighting has been done amongst the Christians.

Rt. Hon. E. S. Montagu: The fighting has been done amongst the Christians, but the peace terms dictated to our Christian enemies will strike them as so much more moderate than the peace terms which lead to the complete disappearance of our only Mussulman state. And did you see that the Turkish newspapers have published a statement that they thought the terms of peace to Germany very fair?

Montague hoped his boss would see sense. The Allies didn't have the manpower to occupy Germany. Did they have the strength to occupy Anatolia? Look what happened at Gallipoli. Johhny Turk is a doughty fighter. What happens if our Indian soldiers mutiny? What about our own exhausted conspripts who just want to go home and have done with war? 

Montague never
believed that the British empire, as the biggest Muslim empire in the world, had a moral responsibility to

put on a Fez and give up bacon sarnies?  

listen to the Indian Muslim case for the preservation of the Ottoman caliphate.

 Montague, like some other British officials, thought that the Raj was vulnerable. If you simultaneously alienate Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims, you may have to circle the wagons till you can evacuate the White population and abandon the sub-continent to anarchy.  

All three Muslim leaders asserting their spiritual ties to the Ottoman caliph

actually, it was Montague who brought up the matter. The Aga Khan then had to pretend that a Sunni Caliph really was the head of his own religion. 

– the Aga Khan, Abdullah Yusuf Ali

were Shias. They had no 'spiritual ties' to the Caliph other than those all Muslims have towards each other.  

and Sahibzada Aftab Ahmad Khan – were loyal subjects of the British Crown. Several Indian Hindu leaders

the Maharaja of Bikaner & Lord Sinha 

joined the meeting, making clear their solidarity with their fellow Indian Muslim brethren and their support for the Ottoman caliphate.

They echoed the line taken by the Government of India. Try to grab Turkey and you may end up losing India. But, if India goes, where are you going to get the troops to garrisson the MENA?  

This conversation at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 does not reveal a clash between an Islamic world and a Western world.

Yes it does. Lloyd George, Clemenceau & Venizelos & the Italian King all dreamed of succeeding where the Crusaders failed. No doubt, there would be a puppet Caliph and a puppet Shah and a puppet Khedive and so forth. But behind such 'veiled Protectorates', would be Christian Europe re-establishing Crusader States. 

That's why first the Turks, then the KMT Chinese & then even the Saudi Arabians, established diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union. By then, the 'White' counter-revolution had been defeated. Bolshevik Russia was helping Ataturk & Sun Yat Sen who, in 1923, sent Chiang Kai Shek to Moscow to study the Red Army and gain Soviet military assistance. 

It reveals one complex and interdependent world.

No. It reveals that, in 1919, three European powers- UK, France & Italy- wanted to take over Muslim countries in a manner which explicitly invoked the spirit of the Crusades. Destroying atheistic Bolshevism, too, was a holy crusade. The India Office had other views but it had little influence. Military defeat and/or financial exhaustion caused the West to give up these schemes by the end of 1922. Egypt & Afghanistan gained Independence. Ataturk retained Asia Minor. Ibn Saud chased away the British backed Hashemite Sharif of Mecca.  

Yet, consider Bernard Lewis’s

a British Jew who studied under Massignon. He was at SOAS for many years and absorbed the ICS point of view.  

influential essay in The Atlantic magazine, ‘The Roots of the Muslim Rage’ (1990):

Muslims would get angrier and angrier 

‘In the classical Islamic view, to which many Muslims are beginning to return, the world and all mankind are divided into two: the House of Islam, where the Muslim law and faith prevail, and the rest, known as the House of Unbelief or the House of War, which it is the duty of Muslims ultimately to bring to Islam.’

This theory was foundational to the Pakistan movement and characterized one school of Muslim thought in India. However, the duty of hijrat (migration) from dar ul harb is no longer maintained. Thus Islamists are under no obligation to give up their American or European Nationalities. 

Lewis left little doubt that this alleged ‘duty’ of Muslims meant violent means: ‘The obligation of holy war … begins at home and continues abroad, against the same infidel enemy.’ In spirit and substance, the Indian Muslim leaders meeting with Wilson in 1919 contradicts every single claim by Lewis.

No. The fact that British stooges were British stooges doesn't change the fact that they acted as Muslims by making a demand on behalf of a Muslim potentate.  

The Muslims were loyal supporters of the multi-faith British empire,

they were its beneficiaries.  

cooperating with Hindus, and had fought against the Muslim soldiers of the Ottoman empire during the First World War.

No. They weren't soldiers. Yusuf Ali had been an ICS officer and had done valuable propaganda work during the Great War. However, what really mattered was getting paid. The Indians in the British Army were mercenaries.  

They did not see Westerners as any kind of enemy,

because they were getting paid by them 

and made their case for the Ottoman caliphate according to international norms about national self-determination and imperial peace.

How come they mentioned their common religion? Also, why weren't they getting their knickers in a twist about Buddhist Vietnam?  

Though he has been influential in US policy circles,

Academic circles- sure. Policy circles were about petro-dollars and arms contracts.  

Lewis did not come up with the idea of ‘a Muslim world’ distinct from a Western one.

But he did invent the notion that there was once a guy named Moses who parted the Red Sea- right? 

Since the Iranian Revolution of 1979, Western journalists and radical Islamists popularised the idea.

Very true. Ayatollah Khomeini was a Lesbian Pope. Then Bernard Lewis & some other bloke who wrote for the NYT convinced him that the he was actually a slim Moose or Mooseslim or something of that sort.  

In their view, contemporary Pan-Islamism draws on ancient Muslim ideals in pursuit of restoring a pristine religious purity. According to this account, Pan-Islamism is a reactionary movement, in thrall to ancient traditions and classical Islamic law. The peculiarities of Islam, it is always argued, compel Muslims’ religious affiliation to transcend other political affiliations. This Pan-Islamism not only survives but thrives in the contemporary world, and is a civilisational artefact deeply at odds with modern times.

Whereas the truth is, Berard Lewis invented Moses which led to the wholly spurious distinction between Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Lesbian Popes like Ayatollah Khomeini.  

Lewis might not have originated the idea of the Muslim world,

i.e. the 'Saracen' world against which the Crusades were waged. 

but he gave it an intellectual polish, and inspired Samuel Huntington’s even more popular work, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order (1996).

Nope. Hundtington had been around for a long time. He reacted to Fukuyama (a Straussian student of Koyeve's) by stating the fucking obvious. After Marx, Muhammad would become the biggest challenger of Western hegemony. What nobody could predict at that time was that the thing was a sideshow. What would marginalize the West was the rise of China.  

‘The struggle between these rival systems [of the Islamic world and Christendom],’ wrote Lewis, ‘has now lasted for some 14 centuries. It began with the advent of Islam, in the 7th century, and has continued virtually to the present day. It has consisted of a long series of attacks and counterattacks, jihads and crusades, conquests and reconquests.’

Huntington died in 2008 at the height of the 'War on Terror' which the West lost. Now, Trump says, the question is whether Europe will be internally colonized by second or third generation Muslim immigrants.  

Such remains the dominant Western view of Pan-Islamism, expressed in the phrase common to punditry and journalism – ‘the Muslim world’.

Which just means 'Muslim majority plus Muslim ruled countries'.  

Yet, contrary to this dominant view of an eternal clash with the Christian West, Pan-Islamism is in fact relatively new, and not so exceptional.

No. The 'Christian West' only clashed with Islam, nothing else. There was no Crusade against Buddhism. Confucians never occupied Andalucia. The Battle of Vienna, in 1683, did not involve the defeat of marauding Hare Krishnas.  

Closely related to Pan-Africanism and Pan-Asianism,

neither of which mattered in the slightest 

it emerged in the 1880s as a response to the iniquities of European imperialism.

which were less horrible than those of the Turk or Albanian. 

Initially, the idea of global Muslim solidarity aimed to give Muslims more rights within European empires,

like being allowed to resume the slave trade?  

to respond to ideas of white/Christian supremacy,

by asserting Islamic superiority 

and to assert the equality of existing Muslim states in international law.

Why are Muslims not being allowed to slaughter and enslave Kaffirs? 

The idea of an ancient clash between the Muslim World and the Christian World is a dangerous and modern myth.

Fair point. Muslims want to kill kaffirs of all descriptions- right?  

It relies on fabricated misrepresentations of separate Islamic and Western geopolitical and civilisational unities.

Also, it pretends that men don't have vaginas.  

Pan-Africanism and Pan-Asianism

& the Vegetarian & Suffragette & Gay Lib movements 

offer a better context for understanding Pan-Islamism. All three emerged in the late 19th century, at the height of the age of empire, and as counters to Anglo-Saxon supremacy and the white man’s civilising mission. 

&  racist propaganda which denies that a black man like me doesn't have a white vagina.  

Pan-Islamists in the age of empire

like the Ottoman Empire? 

did not have to convince fellow Muslims about the global unity of their co-religionists.

The Caliph didn't have to convince Kurds to kill Armenians.  

By racialising their Muslim subjects with references to their religious identity, colonisers

like the Ottoman Turks?

created the conceptual foundations of modern Muslim unity.

Yet Muslims are stupid enough to think that there was once a guy whose name was Muhammad who lived in Mecca over 14 centuries ago.  

At the time, the British, Dutch, French and Russian empires ruled the majority of the world’s Muslims.

Back then, Muslim populations grew more rapidly in places not ruled by Muslims. But it was Kaffirs ruled by Muslims who had it worst. 

Like Pan-Africanists and Pan-Asianists, the first Pan-Islamists were intellectuals who wanted to counter the slights, humiliations and exploitation of Western colonial domination.

These were the guys who presided over the massacre of Armenians.  

They did not necessarily want to reject the imperial world or the reality of empires. In their sensibilities, the leading Pan-Islamist intellectuals Jamaluddin al-Afghani and Syed Ameer Ali strongly resembled the Pan-Africanist W E B Dubois or the Pan-Asianist Rabindranath Tagore.

They had nothing in common. Tagore was a poet & hereditary leader of a Hindu sect who stood to lose his Estates in the Muslim majorty East Bengal if the Brits fucked off. He had no love for, or trust in, a mainstream Muslim jurist-politicians like Ameer Ali or, the shady journalist/ secret agent, Afghani.

 Dubois was a cultured Sociologist with a romantic view of India. He didn't like Garvey type 'back to Africa' demagogues. He knew very well that his father's Haiti was a shithole. He had a low opinion of the Liberian elite who denied the vote to the indigenous people.

Like Pan-Africanists and Pan-Asianists, Pan-Islamists emphasised that European empires discriminated against Africans, Asians and Muslims, both within empires and in international affairs.

This is like saying, Suffragettes emphasized that Jack the Ripper discriminated against working class women in the East End of London.  

All three challenged European racism and colonial domination, and promised a better and freer world for the majority of human beings on Earth

A world where elderly black men like me would have a white vagina of our very own.  

European colonial officers began to worry about a potential Muslim revolt when they saw how the modern technologies of printing, steamships and the telegraph were creating new links among diverse Muslim populations, helping them to assert a critique of racism and discrimination. Yet there were no Pan-Islamic revolts against colonialism from the 1870s to the 1910s.

There were revolts and those who revolted invoked Islam if those they were fighting weren't Muslim. The Mahdist and second Afghan War certainly had Pan-Islamic features as did some Muslim rebellions in China.  

The alleged threat of Pan-Islamism made its first notable appearance in the West during the First World War, in part because

Muslims kept saying it was a major threat.  

the Ottoman and German empires promoted it in their war propaganda.

There were Kurdish rebellions against the Ottomans.  

Yet there was no Muslim revolt during the First World War when hundreds of thousands of Muslim soldiers served British, French and Russian empires.

The Armenians didn't revolt. That didn't stop the Muslims massacring them. 

During the Second World War, Pan-Asianism was

a joke. The Japs were slaughtering the Chinese. Then it was the turn of the Vietnamese, the Malays, the Burmese etc.  

associated with the Japanese empire’s promises to liberate the coloured races of Asia from white hegemony. And in the aftermath of Japan’s defeat, the historic decolonising of Africa raised the profile of Pan-Africanism among European concerns.

Nobody gave a fuck about that shite.  

By the 1960s, with the fading of the colonial world and its replacement by a world of independent nation-states, the political projects of Pan-Islamism, Pan-Africanism and Pan-Asianism had almost disappeared.

But Pan-Islamism was gaining ground. OPEC and the two oil-shocks were a game-changer. Also, Communism turned out to be totes shitty.  

They had, however, won many of the intellectual battles against racism, defeated colonial arguments of white supremacy, and helped to end European imperial rule.

Only in the sense that my farting caused the fall of the Berlin Wall.  

Disappointments about the failure of Africa, Asia and the Muslim world to become comparable in equality and freedom to the West also contributed to

emigration to places still ruled by White Christians?  

the declining status of the pan-nationalisms. By the 1980s, African and African-American intellectuals grew more pessimistic about

studying worthless shite at Uni.  

the key Pan-Africanist dream of gaining racial equality for black people in the modern world,

the author is White. Since he has shit for brains, he does not know darkies like me were and are equal to him. 

and making the whole of Africa prosperous and free.

Oh dear. This stupid cunt thinks there is some part of Africa still colonized by an European power.  

The Pan-African vision of uniting newly independent, weak African nations to create the necessary synergy of a federative global power and give them both liberty and prosperity has not materialised.

Nor has anything sensible from this Professor's mouth.  

Although there is still an international organisation – the African Union – it is ineffective, and far from achieving the goals of Pan-Africanism. The hopes of the Pan-Africanist generation, from Dubois to Frantz Fanon, for a future decolonised Africa remain a lost project for the next generation.

Dubois did give up his American citizenship and take up Ghanaian nationality. Fanon's Martinique had the sense to stick with France.  


On the other hand, with multiple great powers such as China, India and Japan, the decolonised Asia of today would have made the early 20th-century Pan-Asianists proud. Yet 20th-century Pan-Asianism took a complex course.

It was and is meaningless drivel.  

Japan’s exploitation of Pan-Asianism to rationalise its colonial occupation of China and Korea left many supporters feeling betrayed. Independent India’s foreign policy under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru showed a commitment to some Pan-Asian principles, which retained popular appeal at the Bandung Conference of 1955. This meeting of 29 Asian and African states, comprising more than half the world’s people, was the last major expression of Asian solidarity, and was later subsumed by Cold War rivalries and nation-statebuilding projects.

Bandung was about Nehru launching Chou En Lai. He had met Mao the previous year. Indonesia wasn't happy with the anti-Communist line proposed by the Ceylonese at the Colombo conference the previous year. Nehru fucked himself in the ass by boosting China, which invaded India in 1962, and making much of Sukarno, who sided with Pakistan in the 1965 war.  


Pan-Islamism has also proceeded in a series of fits and starts over the past century.

Then, a crazy Australian Christian set fire to the al-Aqsa mosque. This led to the creation of the OIC in 1969 or 1970.  

From Turkey and Egypt to Indonesia and Algeria, the idea of Muslim intellectualism and global Muslim solidarity empowered 20th-century nationalist leaders and movements. By the mid-1960s, the majority of the world’s Muslims had gained freedom from European colonial rule.

As had the majority of Christians previously tryannized over by Muslim Colonial rule 

The Turkish Parliament had abolished the Ottoman caliphate back in 1924, and by the 1950s that caliphate was almost forgotten.

Arabs had never thought a non-Arab could be Caliph.  

Nearly a fifth of the way into the 21st century, however, Pan-Africanism and Pan-Asianism seems to have vanished but Pan-Islamism and the ideal of Muslim world solidarity survives. Why?

Islam started off as Pan-Islamic.  

The answer lies in the final stages of the Cold War.

No. It lies in the fact that Military Dictators & Politburos were utterly shite.  

It was in the 1980s that a new Muslim internationalism emerged, as part of a rising political Islam. It was not a clash between the primordial civilisational traditions of Islam and the West, or a reassertion of authentic religious values. It wasn’t even a persistence of early 20th-century Pan-Islamism, but rather a new formation of the Cold War. A Saudi-US alliance began promoting the idea of Muslim solidarity in the 1970s as an alternative to the secular Pan-Arabism of the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser, whose country allied with the Soviet Union.

But the Soviets only provided defensive military equipment. The Egyptians got rid of them because they wanted to go on the offensive.  

Any ideas of an ‘Islamic’ utopia would have floundered if not for the failures of many post-colonial nation-states and the subsequent public disillusionment of many Muslims.

The Saudis did a great job overseeing the Hajj pilgrimage. Islam, as a religion, has high income elasticity of demand. As people become more affluent they want more and better quality Islamic services.  One could say the same about American Evangelical Christianity or popular Hindu religion. 

The notion that Pan-Islamism represents authentic, ancient, repressed Muslim political values in revolt against global Westernisation and secularisation was

promoted by Muslims 

initially a paranoid obsession of Western colonial officers,

there was a time when British political agents were paranoid about Wahhabis. But that was because they were allied with the Khedive against the Wahhabis in the early nineteenth century.  

but recently it comes mainly from Islamists. Western pundits and journalists have erred in accepting at face value Islamist claims about Islam’s essential political values.

This guy, too, is a Muslim. We would err greatly if we accepted anything he said as true or, even, plausible.  

The kind of Islamism that’s identified with Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood or Ruhollah Khomeini’s Iran did not exist before the 1970s.

Very true. Abduh was actually a Jewish Lesbian. Khomeini was a Confucian scholar who lived in Taiwan.  

None of the Indian Muslims meeting Wilson, nor the late Ottoman-era caliphs, were interested in imposing Sharia in their society.

Indian Muslims had Sharia as their personal law unless- like the Ismailis & Bohras they were treated as Hindu for purposes of inheritance.  

None of them wanted to veil women.

None objected to the practice as far as the Hanafi majority was concerned.  

On the contrary, the first Pan-Islamist generation was highly modernist:

So was the first anti-Islamist generation.  

they were proponents of the liberation of women, racial equality and cosmopolitanism.

Yusuf Ali had a White, Christian, wife. The marriage didn't last.  

Indian Muslims, for example, were very proud that the Ottoman caliph had Greek and Armenian ministers and ambassadors.

They were even prouder that the Armenians were massacred. They laughed their heads off when the Greeks were expelled from Smyrna.  

They also wanted to see the British Crown appointing Hindu and Muslim ministers and high-level officials in their governments. None would have desired or predicted the separation of Turks and Greeks in Ottoman lands, Arabs and Jews in Palestine, and Muslims and Hindus in India.

Aga Khan supported the Pakistan demand. Yusuf Ali didn't but when he died it was the Pakistani High Comission which arranged for his burial.  

The fact that both Lewis and Osama bin Laden spoke of an eternal clash between a united Muslim world and a united West does not mean it is a reality.

But the War on Terror meant it was real.  

Even at the peak of the idea of global Muslim solidarity in the late 19th century, Muslim societies were divided across political, linguistic and cultural lines. Since the time of prophet Muhammad’s Companions in the seventh century, hundreds of diverse kingdoms, empires and sultanates, some in conflict with each other, ruled over Muslim populations mixed with others. Separating Muslims from their Hindu, Buddhist, Christian and Jewish neighbours, and thinking of their societies in isolation, bears no relationship to the historical experience of human beings. There has never been, and could never be, a separate ‘Muslim world’.

Only in the sense that there never have been, nor could there be, any such thing as a Muslim or a world or 'separation' because all that is is one without possibility of distinction.  

All the new fascist Right-wing anti-Muslim groups in Europe and the US obsesses over Ottoman imperial expansion in eastern Europe. They see the Ottoman siege of Vienna of 1683 as the Islamic civilisation’s near-takeover of ‘the West’. But in the Battle of Vienna, Protestant Hungarians allied with the predominantly Muslim Ottoman empire against the Catholic Habsburgs. It was a complex conflict between empires and states, not a clash of civilisations.

Did you know, the Caliph was partly a Catholic Lesbian while the Hapsburg Emperor was partly Jewish and partly a flying horse?  

The Hindu nationalism of India’s prime minister Narendra Modi promotes the idea of an alien Mughal empire that invaded India and ruled over Hindus.

Whereas the Mughals were actually a type of Jewish flying horse indigenous to the Doab. Moreover, there were no Hindus in India at that time. The country was entirely populated by Lesbian Rabbis.  

But Hindu bureaucrats played a vital role in India’s Mughal empire,

Donald Trump is actually a Nigerian woman. This is proved by the fact that Nigerian women play a viatal role in the country she rules over.  

and Mughal emperors were simply empire-builders, not zealots of theocratic rule over different faith communities.

Aurangazeb actually ordered the destruction of a mosque so as to build a Hindu temple. Sadly, some stupid Nigerian Lesbian on his staff got hold of the wrong end of the stick.  

There are also Muslims today who look back at the Mughal empire in India as an instance of Muslim domination over Hindus.

But those Muslims are actually Shinto priests because of the vital role Japan plays in today's global economy.  

It is notable and important that anti-Muslim Western propaganda and Pan-Islamic narratives of history resemble one another.

It is notable that this cunt writes utter nonsense. Yet, it is David Icke whose books sell like hot cakes.  

They both rely on the civilisational narrative of history and a geopolitical division of the world into discrete ahistorical entities such as black Africa,

i.e. sub-Saharan Africa which has been a historical entity for at least 100,000 years 

the Muslim world,

1400 years 

Asia and the West.

Asia and Europe- a Greek distinction dating back at least 2500 years.  


Contemporary Pan-Islamism also idealises a mythical past.

Oh dear. This cunt just called the Prophet a mythical figure.  

According to Pan-Islamists, the ummah, or worldwide Muslim community, originated at a time when Muslims were not humiliated by racist white empires or aggressive Western powers.

As monotheists, the Prophet & his followers supported Rome against Persia.  

Pan-Islamists want to ‘make the ummah great again’. Yet the notion of a golden age of Muslim political unity and solidarity relies on amnesia about the imperial past.

No. It relies on the pious preservation of great literary works chronicling extraordinary achievements.  

Muslim societies were never politically united, and there were never homogeneous Muslim societies in Eurasia.

Only in the sense that Britain was never an Imperial power. Also, no Europeans ever settled in what is now the USA. Donald Trump is a pure-blooded Sioux warrior.  

None of the Muslim dynasty-ruled empires aimed to subjugate non-Muslims by pious believers.

The Pope is a nice Jewish lady.  

Like the Ottoman, Persian or Egyptian monarchs of the late 19th century, they were multi-ethnic empires, employing thousands of non-Muslim bureaucrats. Muslim populations simply never asked for global ummah solidarity before the late 19th-century moment of racialised European empires.

There were no such empires because non-European bureaucrats existed.  

The term ‘the Muslim world’ first appeared in the 1870s.

There were no 1870s because trillions of decades which were not the 1870s propped up that decade from before and after their occurrence. 

Initially, it was European missionaries or colonial officers who favoured it as a shorthand to refer to all those between the ‘yellow race’ of East Asia and the black race in Africa.

There were no European missionaries or colonial officers because Christ was non-European. Thus Christian Europe was essentially not European at all.  

They also used it to express their fear of a potential Muslim revolt, though Muslim subjects of empire were no more or less rebellious to their empires than Hindu or Buddhist subjects.

No rebellions ever occurred because no rebel was less or more rebellious than people who didn't rebel. 

After the great Indian Rebellion of 1857, when both Hindus and Muslims rose up against the British, some British colonial officers blamed Muslims for this uprising. William Wilson Hunter, a British colonial officer, questioned whether Indian Muslims could be loyal to a Christian monarch in his influential book, The Indian Musalmans: Are They Bound in Conscience to Rebel Against the Queen? (1871).

There was no such person as William Wilson Hunter. This is proved by the fact that there were millions of bureaucrats who were not named William or Wilson or Hunter and it is a complete and utter myth that anybody is more or less a William Wilson Hunter than people who aren't William Wilson Hunter at all.  

In reality, Muslims were not much different from Hindus in terms of their loyalty as well as their critique of the British empire. Elite Indian Muslims, such as the reformist Syed Ahmad Khan, wrote angry rebuttals to Hunter’s allegations.

A High Court Judge was killed in Bengal by a Wahabbi. This provoked Hunter to write his book which focussed on the followers of Sayyid Ahmad of Raebareli . Syed Ahmad Khan, a loyalist, responded by  paying tribute to Hunter as a sincere friend of the Indian Muslim but arguing that Hunter's was only speaking of the Bengali Muslim- more particularly the 'Faraizi'- rather than the Indian Muslim in general.

But they also accepted his terms of debate, in which Muslims were a distinct and separate category of Indians.

They wanted separate representation and (later on) separate electorates.  

To assert their dignity and equality, Muslim intellectuals emphasised the past glory of ‘the Muslim world’

Whereas the Chinese told everybody that their Mums were whores & their dads were pimps.  


The growth of European nationalisms also found a useful enemy in Muslims, specifically the Ottoman sultan. In the late 19th century, Greek, Serbian, Romanian and Bulgarian nationalists all began to depict the Ottoman sultan as a despot.

Similarly, some Jews depicted Adolph Hitler as anti-Semitic.  

They appealed to British liberals to break the Ottoman-British alliance on behalf of a global Christian solidarity.

De Gaulle appealed to Churchill & Roosevelt to 'liberate' his country from 'Hitler' even  

Anti-Ottoman British liberals such as William Gladstone argued that Christian solidarity should be important for British decisions with regard to the Ottoman empire.

Why did that Christian object to Christians being slaughtered by the Muslims?  

It is in that context that the Ottoman sultan referred to his spiritual link with Indian Muslims,

the majority of Indian Muslims were Hanafi just like the Caliph. After Jallianwallah bagh, the Indian Office needed to split the Muslims from Sikhs & Hindus. Could this be done under the rubric of 'Khilafat'? The answer was that Muslis weren't stupid. They would get their pound of flesh one way or another.

to argue for a return to an Ottoman-British alliance thanks to this special connection between these two big Muslim empires.

The Khedive was nominally a Turkish vassal. Thus, it could be beneficial to the 'Veiled Protectorate' to have some cosmetic alliance of this kind. 


In his influential book The Future of Islam (1882), the English poet Wilfrid Scawen Blunt

who was stupid enough to become a British cat's paw enabling the establishment of the Veiled Protectorate 

argued that the Ottoman empire would eventually be expelled from Europe, and that Europe’s crusading spirit would turn Istanbul into a Christian city. Blunt also claimed that the British empire, lacking the hatred of Muslims of the Austrians, the Russians or the French, could become the protector of the world’s Muslim populations in Asia. In patronising and imperial ways, Blunt seemed to care about the future of Muslims. He was a supporter and friend of leading Muslim reformists such as Al-Afghani and Muhammad Abduh, and served as an intermediary between European intellectual circles and Muslim reformists.

The Syrian journalist, John Sabunji who edited an anti Ottoman journal may also be mentioned. Blunt saw that the British voter could not support Turkey against Christians in the Balkans. But could Turkey reinvigorate its Muslim territories? Was this even desirable from the British point of view?  


Around the same time that Blunt was writing, the influential French intellectual Ernest Renan formulated a very negative view of Islam, especially in regard to science and civilisation. Renan saw Islam as a Semitic religion that would impede the development of science and rationality. His ideas symbolised the racialisation of Muslims via their religion. Of course, Renan was making this argument in Paris, which ruled over large parts of Muslim North Africa and West Africa. His ideas helped to rationalise French colonial rule. Al-Afghani and many other Muslim intellectuals wrote rebuttals of Renan’s arguments, while being supported by Blunt. But Renan enjoyed more success in creating a distracting narrative of a separate Islamic civilisation versus a Western, Christian civilisation

Educated Muslims faced the same crisis of faith as educated Christians. The discoveries of Science seemed at odds with the statements of Scripture. Nevertheless, to rise up Muslims needed to come together so as to solve collective action problems. If the Catholic school teaches Science, why should the Madrasa not do so?  

European elites’ claims of a Western civilising mission, and the superiority of the Christian-Western civilisation, were important to the colonial projects.

No. Claims don't matter at all. Only money & gun-boats matter.  

European intellectuals took up vast projects of classifying humanity into hierarchies of race and religion. It was only in response to this chauvinistic assertion that Muslim intellectuals fashioned a counter-narrative of Islamic civilisation

What was that counter-narrative? Do Muslims claim to have discovered Relativity & Evolution & Quantum Computers?  

In an attempt to assert their dignity and equality, they emphasised the past glory, modernity and civility of ‘the Muslim world’.

Some did. Others didn't bother. The question was whether there could be a Pan-Islamism allied to the Kaiser. The answer was no. Arabs would want the Turks to fuck off.  

These Muslim opponents of European imperial ideology – of the white race’s civilisational superiority over Muslims and other coloured races – were the first Pan-Islamists.

Everyone thinks their own Mummy is the bestest Mummy & their own civilization is the bestest civilization. Muslim reformers of the late nineteenth century stressed the need for Scientific education  & the overcoming of barriers of clan and tribe so that collective action problems could be tackled more efficiently.  


During the early 20th century, Muslim reformers began to cultivate a historical narrative that emphasised a shared civilisation, with a golden age in Islamic science and art, and its subsequent decline.

It was true that there had indeed been such a golden age. The West acknowledged this long ago.  

This idea of a holistic Muslim history was a novel creation fashioned directly in response to the idea of a Western civilisation and the geopolitical arguments of Western/white racial unity. Like the early generation of Pan-African and Pan-Asian intellectuals, Muslim intellectuals responded to European chauvinism and Western orientalism with their own glorious history and civilisation.

Some African Americans responded by joining the Nation of Islam which holds that Yakub, a black Meccan scientist who lived 6,600 years ago,  created the white race. According to the story, following his discovery of the law of attraction and repulsion, he gathered followers and began the creation of the white race through a form of selective breeding referred to as "grafting" on the island of Patmos; Yakub died at the age of 150, but his followers continued the process after his death. According to the NOI, the white race was created with an evil nature, and were destined to rule over black people for a period of 6,000 years through the practice of "tricknology," which ended in 1914. 

I suppose the author thinks that Attaturm & Mosaddeq told similar stories.

Throughout the 20th century, the great Muslim leaders such as Turkey’s Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Nasser in Egypt, Iran’s Mohammad Mosaddeq and Indonesia’s Sukarno were all secular nationalists, but all of them needed and used this notion of a glorious history of Muslim civilisation to talk back against ideologies of white supremacy.

Turkey had been a great power till quite recently. Iran, too, had been powerful in the eighteenth century. It was obvious that Indonesia had a rich culture and civilization of its own.  

Nationalism eventually triumphed, and during the 1950s and ’60s the idea of Islam as a force in world affairs also faded from Western journalism and scholarship.

Just as the idea of Christianity or European supremacy faded.  


Pan-Islamic ideologies did not resurface again until the 1970s and ’80s, and then with a new character and tone. They returned as an expression of discontent with the contemporary world.

Discontent with low oil prices. OPEC's two oil shocks meant there was much more money for the building of mosques all around the world. 

After all, gone were the heady days of mid-20th-century optimism about modernisation. The United Nations had failed to solve existential issues. Post-colonial nation-states had not brought liberty and prosperity to most of the world’s Muslims. Meanwhile, Europe, the US and the Soviet Union showed little concern for the suffering of Muslim peoples. Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan appeared, maintaining that the colonisation of Palestine and the tribulations of poverty required a new form of solidarity.

They wanted power because those with power were getting rich.  Also, it would be cool to stone adulterers to death. 


The Iranian Revolution of 1979 proved a historic moment. To condemn the status quo, Khomeini appealed to this new form of Pan-Islamism. Yet, his Iran and its regional rival Saudi Arabia both privileged the national interests of their states. So there has never been a viable federative vision of this new Pan-Islamic solidarity. Unlike Pan-Africanism, which idealised black-skinned populations living in solidarity within post-colonial Africa, Pan-Islamism rests on a sense of victimhood without a practical political project.

Pan-Africanism failed by the end of the Sixties when Ugand a started to deport Kenyans and vice versa.  

It is less about real plans to establish a Muslim polity than about how to end the oppression and discrimination shared by an imagined global community.

No. It is about stoning people to death while linking your pockets.  


The calls for global Muslim solidarity can never be understood by looking at religious texts or Muslim piety.

That is the only way they can be understood.  

It is developments in modern intellectual and geopolitical history that have generated and shaped Pan-Islamic views of history and the world. Perhaps their crucial feature is the idea of the West as a place with its own historical narrative and enduring political vision of global hegemony.

Everything is the fault of the West. If it didn't exist, everybody would have at least one penis and one vagina. They could then fuck themselves to death. Evil White Scientists created by Yakub have caused me to have only a penis & no vagina. This makes me so very angry that I've decided to become a jihadi suicide bomber. 

The Soviet Union, the US, the EU – all the global Western projects of the 20th century imagine a superior West and its hegemony. Early Pan-Islamic intellectuals developed Muslim narratives of a historical global order as a strategy to combat imperial discourses about their inferiority, which suffused colonial metropoles, orientalist writings and European social sciences. There simply could not be a Pan-Islamic narrative of the global order without its counterpart, the Western narrative of the world, which is equally tendentious as history.

Narratives don't matter. Pan-Islamism has increased because it is a way to gain money and power.  


Ideas of Western and Islamic worlds seem like enemies in the mirror. We should not let the colonisers of the late-19th century set the terms of today’s discussion on human rights and good governance.

Also we should all have at least one vagina as well as a penis.  

As long as we accept this tendentious opposition between ‘the West’ and ‘the Muslim world’,

which this cretin introduced 

we are still captives to colonisation and the failures of decolonisation.

Also we are captives to Yakub, a great Meccan scientist.  

In simply recognising and rejecting these terms of discussion, we can be free to move forward, to think about one another and the world in more realistic and humane ways.

Currently, the author thinks of other people in sadistic and unrealistic ways.  

Our challenge today is to find a new language of rights and norms that is not captive to the fallacies of Western civilisation or its African, Asian and Muslim alternatives.

Nor should it be captive to Yakub.  

Human beings, irrespective of their colour and religion, share a single planet and a connected history, without civilisational borders.

No. Civilizational borders do exist. This is why people speak different languages in different countries. 

Any forward path to overcome current injustices and problems must rely on

smart people not shitheads who teach nonsense 

our connections and shared values, rather than civilisational tribalism.

or cosmopolitan provincialism or wet dryness.  

Cemil Aydin is Turkish. Was it part of the 'West' or did it belong to 'the Muslim World'? It applied to join the EU in 1987 and gained candidate status in 1999. Twenty years ago, many people thought it would become a part of the EU. It wouldn't be considered 'Muslim' any more than France is considered 'Catholic'. Since then, the world has changed. Turkey is part of the Muslim world. It may help create a 'Sunni NATO'. It transacts business with the West and with the Russians and the Chinese and so forth but its Islamic identity is non-negotiable.

It is a different matter that Pan-Islamism- like Pan-Feminism or Internationalist Socialism- might not have very much practical relevance because stupid or poor people in one place have no power over ruling elites in distant countries. 

Sunday, 14 June 2026

Abu Hurairah's hadith



Whether our own sleep remains heavy or all Woke Wisdom is slight
Or an indigent refugee's cat is as the Celestial Emperor's catamite
Of five-dragon-claw Silk, what shears Khilafat's sleeve
Cuts Prophesy's cloak so e'en Muezza believe.

Envoi- 
Prince! Cathar bees in thy Cardinal's bonnet
Prove, what a friend we have in Mahomet! 


Saturday, 13 June 2026

Is Rahul Sagar utterly stupid?

That would be the obvious conclusion to come to after reading his latest op-ed in the Hindustan Times 

 Why India must view its neighbours through its own strategic lens

The answer is that all countries must view other countries through their own strategic lenses. India should do things which are in the interest of India, not Nicaragua. 

Allowing the Chinese firsthand exposure to India’s intellectual currents is irreplaceable for understanding each other better

India has no intellectual currents. This is because intellectuals are shit and shit gets flushed down the toilet. The sewer may have its currents but we prefer them to flow far from our eyes & noses. 

It is a common trope in Indian diplomacy to speak of an age-old relationship between China and India.

It is common for diplomats- Indian or otherwise- to fart. But it is not polite, or politic, to dwell too much on the subject.  

But, as Sinologists from Krishna Prakash Gupta to Rudolph Wagner have pointed out, for much of their history, China and India interacted “silently”.

There was no direct interaction after the Buddhist holy places in India were lost to Turkic Muslim invaders.

Embassies from littoral powers in the Indian ocean ceased after it came under first Muslim and then European domination. 

The East India Company started expanding trade with China using Indian opium. This lead to two Opium Wars. The Chinese should have taxed their own Opium which is what they later did so as to finance re-armament.  

Monks, merchants, scriptures, commodities, and stories crossed the mountains and seas, but there was no sustained, detailed understanding of the other, with the Chinese especially keen to limit the reach and influence of “things from abroad”.

They had no problem receiving embassies from maritime powers- e.g. Cholas, Vijaynagar- but there had also been alliances against the Tibetans in an earlier age- e.g. Bhaskaravarman of Kamarupa in the 7th century. Wang Xuance was the Tang dynasty envoy to Kanauj. I suppose, the Indians should have paid more attention to Chinese claims to Tibet and parts of North East India dating back to that period. 

This distance, born of geography and fostered by policy, meant that when China encountered India in the modern era, it had to understand it afresh.

No. It had to understand the Brits (who had taken Hong Kong & who would expand into upper Burma  & the French (who took Indo-China). These were territories which the Chinese considered to be their own vassals. 

But by this point, India had already succumbed to the British,

Hindus preferred British rule to Muslim rule. But Muslims weren't that keen on Hindu rule either. Moreover, nobody was keen on the rule of their own son or nephew because such rule was likely to be achieved by the fellow stabbing you or getting your Mum to poison your food.  

who were beginning to press against China as well. Fatefully, this meant, as Wagner has noted, that contact between China and India was “brokered” by the British,

 In the late 18th century, following the Sino-Nepalese War, Nepal accepted a tributary status with the Qing Dynasty of China from roughly 1792 to 1865. Some Nepalese (& Sikkimese & Bhutanese) territory came under East India Company rule. Hunza was a tributary to both the Dogra dynasty in Srinagar and the Chinese sending token payments to Beijing till the 1930s. Ladkh, thanks to the Sino-Sikh war of 1841, was never a tributary. But all this was well understood in New Delhi before I was born. 

Contact between Indian and Chinese nationalists was not brokered by the Brits, the Japs or even the Bolsheviks. But little came of it. Intellectually, it must be said, Christian missionaries played a big part. To some extent, one may say that they 'brokered' interchange of a cultural type. Paradoxically, this fostered nationalistic feelings. 

with famed Qing officials like Wei Yuan relying on British sources, such as Hugh Murray’s Encyclopedia of Geography (1834), for their knowledge of modern India.

 High Imperial Commissioner, Lin Zexu, commissioned translations to gather foreign intelligence and educate the Qing government on Western affairs from about 1839 onward. His team translated international news, drafted diplomatic ultimatums, and translated books on Western history, geography, law, and military technology. 

These sources informed the Chinese that Indians were prone to “regular and constant subjection to a foreign yoke”

i.e. the Hindus had come under a Muslim, Turkic, yoke whereas China had absorbed its conquerors.  

because they were “divided into castes

China (unlike Japan) had gotten rid of untouchability a thousand years previously. However, there was a hereditary element to the supposedly 'meritocratic' Chinese bureaucratic class. 

and addicted to abstruse philosophy” and were “strangers to public feeling”.

They also lacked filial piety- perhaps because there was no well established tradition of collective punishment.

That the Marathas nearly felled the East India Company

No. They were disunited. Most Princes were happy enough to do a deal with John Company 

— such inconvenient facts were passed over silently.

They didn't matter. What did matter was that the British Navy kicked ass. British rule in India and elsewhere yielded a sufficient profit to enable the British Amry to conduct limited military operations even against China so as to secure commercial advantages.  


The consequences were profound. Works like Wei’s Illustrated Treatise on the Maritime Kingdoms (1842)

Apart from Lin Zexu, we may mention the ill-fated Mongol nobleman Qishan.  

went on to shape the worldview of Qing officials who

were so utterly corrupt and stupid that the Taiping rebellion might easily have succeeded. China faced external predators but the source of its weakness was internal self-predation.  

made pioneering expeditions to British India in the latter part of the 19th century. These officials came expecting a “negative example”— and so they found one. Consider what the litterateur Wu Guangpei,

previously posted in Japan

who accompanied an official Qing mission in 1881,

it was led by the Chinese imperial cartographer Huang Maocai. The goal was to survey land routes between Sichuan, Tibet, and India, and to gather intelligence on British colonial rule.

had to say in his Diary of My Southward Journey. Having interacted principally with British officials during his stay, Wu came away believing, the Chinese historian Lin Chengjie observes, that Indians accepted their subjugation “with equanimity, as if nothing has happened.”

Would the Chinese be better off under benevolent British rule? 'Chinese' Gordon had defeated the Taiping rebels some 17 years previously. Was the Indian Mutiny of 1857 similar to the Taiping uprising? No. It was worse- presaging either anarchy or a return to despotic Islamic rule.  

Ironically, this was precisely the period in which associational life in India was gathering steam, most notably in the form of the Indian National Congress.

Led by British Mandarins with names like Alan Octavian Hume & William Wedderburn. 

A still more striking example is provided by the celebrated Chinese scholar Kang Youwei,

exiled to India by the Dowager Empress. The dude hoped the Western Powers would suppress the Boxer Rebellion. He had some peculiar ideas and is currently considered a shithead with delusions of grandeur. 

whose writings on India have recently been translated by Kamal Sheel and Ranjana Sheel. Influenced by the Chinese edition of Robert MacKenzie’s The 19th Century, Kang came expecting to find a “subdued” people. He too found what he had been expecting to find.

He was saying- 'lets have Western rule under a puppet Emperor. It works for India, why not for China?'  Consider what would have happened to Puyi (whose restoration Kang supported) if Lord Curzon or Kitchener had been in charge in Beijing. He and his pals would have lived long, prosperous and totally secure lives- just like the Indian Maharaja or Nawab. 

Having witnessed the humiliations being heaped on natives in George Curzon’s time,

like Princes being forced to live in big big palaces and fuck lots of concubines?  

he declared in a famous letter, Discussing India (1902), sent to his protege, Liang Qichao, that India was a “dead country”, adding that he was “confident that the Indians have no way to restore their country in more than 1,000 years”.

Hindus are shit. Not Nepalese Hindus. Bengali Blabberjees.  

Ironically, this comment was made at the very moment when radicalism was about to break the surface in British India.

The Chinese Boxer rebellion was as crazy as the East African Maji Maji rebellion which occurred at around the same time. The fact is, magic can't make you bullet proof. Even Mahacrackpot Gandhi was less stupid.        

Not every Chinese visitor was at the mercy of mediators. Take, for example, Lu Ying, a Qing-era official sent to study India’s tea sector in 1905. As the Chinese scholar Zhang Ke has pointed out, a Chinese compatriot living in Calcutta introduced Lu to Bengali elites

i.e. people who knew less about India than the ICS officers who ruled over it 

from whom he obtained a nuanced understanding of contemporary events, especially Indians’ increasingly outspoken opposition to British racism and their resurgent pride in their past.

Till they remembered how shitty that past had been.  

Reflecting on the encounter in his Journal of the Journey to India and Ceylon, Lu could ask the obvious question: “How could a people civilised for thousands of years, numbering three hundred million, be forever relegated to the realm of slavery?”

The Brits abolished slavery. It is better to be ruled by nice guys than to suffer anarchy- in which case you may actually be enslaved.  

India will, he concluded, “surely achieve independence in the future”.

The Brits will abandon that shithole sooner or later.  

The lesson this century-old contrast imparts is that firsthand exposure to intellectual currents is irreplaceable.

It was and is wholly useless. 

Where will the Chinese draw their impressions of India from if they cannot visit the country?

Movies. TV channels. Cartooons. Anything but shite this cunt pulls out of his arse. 

They will, in all likelihood, rely on western sources.

There are no 'western sources'. The last one I can recall was Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom which was foundational to intellectual and cultural exhanges between India and China in the mid-Eighties.  

And what will these sources teach them? Consider, for instance, the recent report in The New York Times

which is blocked by the Great Internet Wall of China.  

entitled “India’s Hindu Right Has a New Hero”. This “new” hero is Shivaji, whose statues apparently mark the “dismantling” of the “secular and democratic principles India was founded on”. One such statue, the Times ominously adds, now stands by Pangong Tso, “sword out, as if ready to attack”.

Statues don't matter. What concerns military analysts is the balance of forces & prevailing logistics.  

Let us recall what the Times will not. As it happens, one of the very first instances in modern times when the Chinese came to see Indians as comrades was

when they escaped to Hong Kong and felt more secure seeing Indian soldiers stationed there? 

at a commemoration — for Shivaji. The key figure in this story was the Chinese revolutionary Zhang Binglin. Reporting on the commemoration, which was organised by Indian students in Tokyo in 1907, Zhang explained in the influential revolutionary journal Minbao that, like the founder of the Ming Dynasty, a peasant who rose to overthrow Mongol rule, Shivaji symbolised “defiance” against foreign oppression.

The Mughals were of Turkic origin. But it was the fact that they were Muslim which created the problem. 

Moved by the “unyielding spirit” of the Indians he encountered in Tokyo, Zhang went on, as B. R. Deepak has noted, to make the Chinese aware of “Indian unrest”. Among those affected was his compatriot in Tokyo, the litterateur Su Manshu, who wrote A Record of Seclusion on Sal Beach (1908), an evocative short story depicting Indians “rising up”, like “the great King Shivaji” once had, against the “bandits” from Britain. Su’s work, Gal Gvili observes, presented a telling “alternative to the popular late Qing depiction of India as stagnant and at fault for its own demise”.

Neither mattered. It soon became obvious to even the most deracinated intellectual from the Chinese diaspora that China would have to be reconquered by Chinese people. But this would be done in imitation of the Bolsheviks in Moscow.  

With this history in mind, what does it mean for Shivaji to have travelled from Tokyo to Pangong Tso?

Nothing. 

This is a discussion worth having.

No.  

But where? In Singapore or London, where delegations measure out their words?

Nobody will pay for 'delegations' to talk bollocks. They need to at least pretend to be talking about money or military security.  

On X, where algorithms prioritise controversy? The forces that animate India’s slow-motion transformation are elusive.

No. Shivaji was Hindu. India has a Hindu majority. Connect the fucking dots.  

They are found in the recesses of civil society

e.g. the anus of this tosser 

where ideas collide, interests are articulated, and identities are reworked. It is to spaces such as these that the Chinese must be invited back so that they can observe for themselves the unfolding of our history.

Rahul is welcome to invite Chinese intellectuals to observe his anus.  

This includes witnessing up close the flowering of a defensive religious nationalism where statues that point outward speak inward. Let there be no illusions: Contact does not guarantee sympathy or compromise. But without it, others will set the terms of engagement.

Trump will tell Xi not to enter Rahul's anus. He will cry and cry. Shivaji had very long sword. What it points to externally is urgent need for Chinese dicks to re-arrange Rahul's internal organs. The boy may be as stupid as fuck but that doesn't mean he is unworthy of 断袖之癖  cut-sleeve sodomy

Sunday, 7 June 2026

David Oks on China vs India

David Oks asks- 'Why China got rich and India didn't- The human roots of the Sino-Indian divergence'. 

Between 1967 to 1976, thanks to China's Cultural Revolution, enrolment of college students dropped from 674,400 to 47,800.  A civilization where erudition had been prized, turned into one where the only thing which mattered was getting enough to eat. Mao traumatized China. It responded by valuing what is material and can be sold for cash. India's leaders might scold Indians from time to time. But Indian leaders always pretended that true merit was spiritual or epistemological. It wasn't a matter of having lots of cash in the bank. 

Here is a question that I think about a lot.

In the year 1950, much as today, the two largest countries in the world by population were China and India.

India had been partitioned on the basis of religion. Taiwan had split from Communist China. Clearly, religion was important in India but not China where ideology mattered much more.  

China was a good deal larger at the time, holding 22 percent of the world’s population to India’s 15 percent; but really the two were in a very similar position.

No. They were in a completely different position. India was going to go forward in the Left of Centre manner of the English Fabian Society. China was going to try to emulate Stalin's 5 year Plans. This meant taking back the land given to the peasants and precipitating a big famine.  

Both of them were giant countries that had assumed their current state—India as the independent Republic of India, China as the People’s Republic of China—in the preceding three years.

India had been conquered by Muslim Turks and then European Christians. China had been ruled by foreign origin dynasties but it tended to assimilate them & expand into their territory. It got rid of its Manchu Emperor & became a Republic (though a General declared himself Emperor briefly) in 1912. It is sad that Mao, on taking power, decided to do what Stalin did rather than allow his people to rise up through their own hard work and enterprise. Still, a lot of 'intellectuals' at that time believed that Communism had some special magic of its own. But Stalinist methods failed in China just as they did in Pol Pot's Cambodia. Indian Communists did do some mild land-reform in West Bengal and Kerala and that was perfectly fine. The problem was that when the Commies wanted to take that land back in Bengal, they were given the order of the boot. 

Both of them were among the very poorest places on earth.

Both had plenty of very rich people in places. 

And both of them were about to spend decades trying, by very different means, to make themselves rich.

Not really. The Indians weren't interested in getting rich. They kept gassing on about Gandhi and Ahimsa and the need to redistribute resources equitably. The Chinese Communists too were puritanical. It wasn't till the Eighties that Chairman Deng said 'to get rich is glorious'.  By then it was clear that Taiwan and South Korea & Hong Kong & Singapore had chosen the better path. 

In India, a foreign exchange crisis caused trade liberalization in the early Nineties. Some Indian people did get rich though they often found that it was easier to set up a factory in Bangladesh or mainland China. However, for IT services, India did have a competitive advantage. 

For China, that experience was one long nightmare.

Because Mao was kray kray. Still, he showed the Japs who was boss by killing four times as many Chinese people as they had managed to do.

China had already been wrecked by a prolonged civil war

Because Chiang was shite & Mao was kray kray. The truth is, India had nicer leaders because War Lordism wasn't a problem. The Brits preserved a professional Army which they handed over to their successors. 

Maybe if the Americans had backed Sun Yat Sen, a democratic China would have emerged as a counterweight to Japan. Sun probably saw the UK as a threat & Germany as a possible ally- which, naturally, the Anglo-Saxons would not like. After 1923 he allied with the Soviets- thus putting himself beyond the pale. 

and by a brutal Japanese invasion in the decades prior,

which the Chinese should have crushed with insulting ease if they hadn't been busy fighting each other and doing stupid shit. 

the whole experience killing tens of millions of people. The civil war ended in 1949, with a Communist victory; but what came next was no less catastrophic.

Coz Mao was kray kray. You may say, 'Mao deliberately crippled China so that it didn't have another bout of Civil War. After all, there are cheaper ways to kill people than to get soldiers involved.' 

The Communists’ leader, Mao Zedong, immediately embarked on campaigns of vengeance against enemies of all stripes, murdering well over a million people in the process; he then launched on an ill-fated agricultural modernization campaign, the Great Leap Forward, that produced the largest famine in history, killing somewhere between 30 and 45 million people; and then a frenzied period of ideological radicalization, the Cultural Revolution, that suspended national life for a decade and killed another 1.6 million. By the time that Mao died in 1976, China was internationally isolated, economically stagnant, and still desperately poor.

But it had missiles and H-bombs and had broken the back of peasantry- i.e. there was no danger that an uprising in the countryside would cause regime change.  Once Deng took power, China could start to do sensible things. A traumatized people simply wanted money & security. They didn't want to hear any more nonsense about ideology. 

China kept the hukou internal passport system and only got rid of taxes and labour obligations for the rural peasants in 2006. Being a democracy, India favoured the rural masses with the result that its cities became unliveable. 


For India, the experience was a much gentler one. India had been a colony of the British, and it was able to achieve independence without taking up arms. British institutions like the Indian Civil Service—the colonial bureaucracy, rechristened as the Indian Administrative Service—carried over into the new Indian state. There was a bout of extreme violence in the late 1940s, as the country was partitioned into Hindu-majority India

Hindus like elections. That is why the country remains democratic. Buddhist Sri Lanka is like India. Sadly, Myanmar is not. Nepal, which is Hindu majority, seems to have embraced Democracy though it did previously have a Communist PM.  

and Muslim-majority Pakistan: but even that was incomparable to what China experienced. And after that episode, India enjoyed long decades of peace, stability, and democratic rule. It was led by a broad-minded secularist named Jawaharlal Nehru, who had been educated at the finest British institutions and governed in the name of science, reason, and social progress; and throughout its entire post-independence period India maintained open elections, an independent judiciary, and a free press. It never experienced anything like the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution.

India pursued bad economic policies while becoming reliant on Economic aid- including PL480 food-grain from the US. It would be fair to say that the material standard of living was falling for the middle class. Thus, in 1974, a boy might say 'Grandfather had a car. Daddy had to wait ten years to get a scooter. I will only be able to afford a push-bike- unless I emigrate.' 

I suspect that if I’d been around in the year 1950, it would have been obvious to me that India would succeed and China would not.

Both succeeded. What was not obvious was that Nehru's daughter would take over from him. Mao's widow wasn't able to take power after his death.  

I would have made the same bet in 1960, when China was starving tens of millions of its own people while exporting grain abroad;

Stalin showed that breaking the back of the peasantry, by starving them to death. is essential to secure control of a vast country.  

and I would have done it again in 1970, during the insanity of the Cultural Revolution.

The South Koreans had a similar 'New Village' movement.  

Nor would I have been alone. As late as 1985, prominent economists were writing articles in the New York Times suggesting that “far more than China today, India is an economic miracle waiting to happen.

This was Jagdish Bhagwati. Rajiv Gandhi had a huge majority in Parliament. He could have pushed through reform in land acquisition & labour regulation while making a bonfire of the import 'licence permit Raj'. Rajiv, erred on the side of caution. The system created by his grandfather had put a lot of power into his hands. Thus, if an old pal from Doon School needed his help to fight off a hostile takeover, the PMO could easily ensure this outcome.  

But they were wrong.

Manmohan Singh was able to reform trade policy and India did indeed begin to grow more rapidly. The problem was infrastructure. The World Bank had helped China get state of the art infrastructure but, in India, the 'activists' were able to prevent development. This meant that indigenous billionaires took over such projects since they don't care what the activists say about them.  

In the five decades since the death of Mao Zedong, China has grown much faster than its fellow Asian giant.

But Taiwan has grown faster than either.  

China has become a manufacturing superpower and the single fastest-growing economy of the last 50 years; its per capita GDP, on par with India’s in 1976, is now about 2.5 times higher.

Deservedly so. It is estimated that Chinese manufacturing wages are three times higher but productivity is five times higher. This has to do with infrastructure & the manner in which local party officials encouraged the emergence of Marshallian industrial districts such that all inputs are available in a 50 km radius. India's total factor productivity is low because of some systemic dysdfunction.

And so Chinese people have become much better-off than their Indian counterparts. In 1987, median purchasing-power adjusted income in China was $1.88 per day, compared to $2.94 per day in India.

An overstatement for India. 

Chinese median wages surpassed Indian ones in the early 2000s; and by 2022, China recorded a median income of $13.36, against $5.54 in India. In the 35 years between 1987 and 2022, Chinese median income rose 611 percent, while Indian median income rose only 88 percent.

China had the one child policy from 1979 to 2015. 

So what happened? Why did China get rich, and India didn’t? What explains the Sino-Indian divergence?

Democracy. Indian politicians buy votes in the name of redistribution & reparation for historic injustices. Chinese politicians make people more productive so as to have more money to spend. 

Last year, I visited India and got the chance to pose these questions to a few prominent Indians, including several members of the Indian parliament. The most common answer that I heard from them was simply that India reformed later.

The IMF forced devaluation on India in 1966. Perhaps, in Indira had not been PM, the country would have focussed on the foreign exchange constraint and ultimately gone down the road MITI had taken the Japanese. Indira, however, saw an opportunity to ditch the 'old guard' & lurch to the Left. Other South Asian countries did the same thing. Thus they fell behind the 'Tigers'.  

Both India and China operated under strict state control of the economy for much of the post-1950 period; but while China began liberalizing its economy in 1978, India waited until 1991. And so China simply has a 13-year head start: no wonder it’s grown more than India has.

China had first become a military super-power & 'National Security State' (i.e. plenty of concentration camps). Its leaders showed enough pragmatism to work with the World Bank to get state of the art infrastructure (indeed, China became the best at this within a decade or two) even from the old enemy- Japan.  

But that doesn’t explain why China has continued to grow faster than India.

India did not reform its labour & land acquisition laws. About half the population work on the land. In China the figure is 22 percent. In India, about 75 percent of farmers are net food consumers. Still, they have votes and thus must be accommodated in some way. 

Between 2000 and 2022, long after both economies had liberalized—and with China already being considerably wealthier—Chinese growth still significantly outpaced Indian growth. So even decades after liberalization, India still underperformed China. The timing of liberalization can’t explain the divergence.

The fact that there was no liberalisation in labour & land law explains the divergence. Small units ignore the rules but then they don't get economies of scope and scale.  


The same is true of policy more broadly. There are all sorts of ways in which Indian economic policy remains inefficient and distortionary in ways that inhibit growth; but the same is true for China and indeed for practically all countries. I don’t think that policy differences explain why India has so reliably underperformed China even at much lower levels of income.

Just say 'South Asia has a different culture and history from North Asia. India is like Pakistan or Bangladesh. China was once more like North Korea but is now more like South Korea. But, as a military super-power, it is going to make different decisions. 


The same is true, I should add, of explanations that cite “Chinese culture” and “Indian culture.” It’s obvious that China and India have different cultures, and that those cultures lead people to behave in different ways.

Indians preferred to be ruled by nice White people from a distant island. The Chinese were happy to absorb knowledge of a useful type but there was no question of accepting foreign rule.  

But that doesn’t explain why China started to outgrow India when it did.

Chinese power declined over the course of the Seventies as its conflict with Vietnam showed. China could rise with the help of the West. India, however, was firmly in the Soviet camp and thus could put off needful reform. 

In the early twentieth century, long before Mao or Indian independence, India was richer than China,

 Indians were complacent. Then, when Singapore fell to the Japanese, the Indians realised they had been living in a fool's paradise. The Indian military wasn't modernist. It was based on feudal notions with a veneer of Sandhurst aristocratic British values. The Chinese military had no choice but to embrace the most modern methods of fighting wars. 

and Indian and Chinese cotton mill workers displayed broadly similar levels of productivity. Whatever cultural advantage that China might enjoy over India, it wasn’t operative a hundred years ago.

Sadly, India had a maha-crackpot called Gandhi who enabled Indian industry to enjoy 'the best of all monopoly profits- viz. a quiet life'- while leaving the vast majority of the population trapped in Malthusian involuted agriculture. Ludicrously, Gandhi thought spinning cotton could generate wealth! To this day, to join the Congress Party you have to vow that you are a 'habitual' spinner of yarn!

So I want to propose my own explanation for why China got rich and India didn’t.

Chinese people like eating nice things and having plenty of money. Indians pretend that they are far too spiritual to care about such things. 

The moment of divergence, I think, came not in 1978, or in 1991, but around 1950.

Actually, China could have had balanced ten percent agricultural and ten percent industrial growth by following sensible policies. Indeed, when Nehru met Mao, this appeared to be the case. China was actually pumping money into Tibet and smart Tibetans were using the money to study in English medium schools in North India.  

Rapid industrial development requires human capital: workers who are literate enough to be trained, healthy enough to show up, disciplined enough to come in on time, and sufficiently unencumbered by traditional life that they can sell their labor to whoever offers the most for it.

Nope. All you need is plenty of rural girls whom you lock up in giant factory dormitories. They work hard from the age of 14 to 24 and get a bit of education in the process. They they get married and have a baby or two. But they return to work as and when there is an export boom. Boys can be conscripted or made to work construction. Let them get married in their mid to late twenties.  

Traditional agrarian societies produce almost none of these people: the peasants who made up the bulk of both India and China in 1950 tended to be illiterate, sickly, and restricted in all sorts of ways.

The more prosperous 'kulak' (owner- cultivator) was strong, healthy, and keen on technical education.  The Brits found that Indian peasant castes produced excellent soldiers. But the Chinese peasant, too, was highly productive even when transplanted to distant countries. His children rose rapidly through education. Edwin Lim, the World Bank Economist who helped China to rise, told his opposite numbers that his father was a poor peasant who stowed-away on a ship to the Philippines where he rose up through hard work and enterprise. Interestingly, Lim worked closely with Zhu Rongji who was descended from the first Ming Emperor. His family mansion was destroyed during the Cultural Revolution. 

For people to be productive workers in modern economies, all of that must be cut away. The more advanced European states spent much of the last millennium doing exactly that. And between 1950 and 1980, China succeeded—frequently through brutal means—in replicating that process: over the course of a few decades, the Chinese state modernized its society at the barrel of a gun.

China had too many people to go in for conscription. The key was getting rural girls into factory dormitories. Mao had offered Kissinger as many such girls as he could take away. 

Poverty is created by poor women having babies. If they work in a factory, they just have one or two babies and they make sure those babies get a good education. 

By 1980, as its economy opened to the world, China was a socially modern country that just happened to be extraordinarily poor.

Lim says China didn't look poor. It was just that you couldn't see any great wealth (unlike in India).  

It had the human capital for rapid industrialization.

It had the World Bank enabling it to cheaply acquire state of the art infrastructure- even if it was supplied by Japan. The South Koreans and Taiwanese invested heavily in China but it was the 'can do' attitude of local party cadres which made all the difference. 

Gurcharan Das tells the story of an Indian industrialist who had gone to Hong Kong to buy his daughter's trousseau. A Sindhi friend invited him to visit the factory he had set up on the other side of the border. The Indian was disgusted that Chinese cadres had turned up at the airport itself to harass them! He said in Sindhi 'These dogs are so greedy, they come to demand bribes even before you have set up your factory! Indians may be avaricious but at least they have common courtesy!'  The Sindhi, who spoke Cantonese, said 'these officials aren't here to demand bribes. They are here to give written promises that electricity hook-up, water connection, etc. will be done by such and such date. They do everything to make sure our unit is profitable because then they get the tax revenue. They don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.' 

But India never underwent that transformation.

Parts did. Sadly, the places where poverty is greatest are also the places where setting up a business is a nightmare.  

Its traditional social order survived independence more or less intact; and the Indian state never managed to develop its people’s human capital as China had.

Some states did. Others didn't. India is less homogenous than Han China.  

When India finally opened its economy to the world in 1991, its people were simply not prepared for industrial modernity in the way that China’s were.

Nonsense! India had had 'industrial modernity' before Independence. Some big companies- Tata, Birla, Bajaj etc.- presided over such enclaves but, often, they would have to move abroad to expand. Interestingly, some left wing British Social Anthropologists have given a granular account of how the 'modern sector' in Indian manufacturing is forced to retain blue-collar workers who do no work while employing more and more clerks to meet the ever mounting compliance burden. 

China invested in its people; India did not.

China shot a lot of its people. India did not.  Interestingly, the first World Bank loan, in 1980, was for Education. The Chinese system was shambolic. There was a 'lost generation'- including people like Xi- and there was a danger that this would create a bottleneck. One reason this did not happen was because rural communes, after the big famine, were looking for pragmatic ways forward- i.e. there was hidden innovation at the local level even when the 'Gang of 4' appeared hegemonic. 

So how did China do it?

By killing or 're-educating' people. It must be said, the Chinese always wanted first rate education while the Indians preferred 'degree mills' with plenty of 'affirmative action'. 

And why wasn’t India able to do the same?

It is a Democracy. Why kill when you can buy votes using money squeezed out of the productive sector?  

The Communist road to capitalism

 Is called State Capitalism. It must be said, China had some great indigenous technologists who enabled it to survive the shock of Soviet withdrawal. 

In 1949, after decades of war—either against the invading Japanese or against their Nationalist foes—the Communist Party of China triumphed over all its enemies and achieved complete power over mainland China.

Marshall decided the KMT was too corrupt to be worth propping up. Mao won because the kulaks gave him food & the Soviets turned over Jap military equipment.  

The remaining Nationalist forces fled to Taiwan; and Mao Zedong, paramount leader of the Communist Party, announced the formation of the new People’s Republic of China.

Mao had three overriding objectives for the governance of China. The first was the absolute consolidation of Communist power over the country; the second was the reconstruction of social life along Communist lines; and the third was the economic transformation of China, from an impoverished and agrarian society into a wealthy and industrial one.

A lot of the spade-work had been done. Foot-binding had been outlawed in 1912 though this wasn't always enforced. It was believed that the Cultural Revolution had released a lot of agricultural land, previously used for ancestral tombs, but, it appears, such customs still persist. 

On the last goal—making China prosperous and powerful—Mao failed entirely.

It was more powerful in 1962 than in 1967. However, its war with Vietnam, in 1979, was an eye-opener. Clearly, the sleeping giant needed to wake up.  

China remained bitterly poor throughout his time in power, and all his interventions in economic policymaking proved to be disastrous. But on the first two goals, eliminating opposition to Communist rule and reshaping Chinese society according to his whims, Mao was remarkably successful: between 1949 and 1976, the Communist Party totally transformed Chinese life.

Before another such total transformation.  

It’s hard for us today to grasp just how brutal that transformation was.

Unless we know what Stalin had gotten up to.  

From 1950 onward, every force in Chinese life that might contest the hegemony of the Communist Party was ruthlessly suppressed and destroyed. The landlords and “rich peasants” who had comprised the traditional leadership class of the villages, for example, saw their lands expropriated by the Chinese state in the 1950s; they were forced to sit through public sessions in which the peasants would “speak bitterness” to them, typically culminating in their being beaten to death. Several hundreds of thousands of people were killed in this way. During the same time period, another several hundreds of thousands were killed as “counterrevolutionaries” opposed to Communist power.

Mao, like Stalin, was worried about a Pugachev- i.e. a peasant uprising. Famine breaks the morale of the peasant. I think, in China, it had the salutary effect of making rural communes more pragmatic & keen to rise by any licit or illicit means. There's nothing like the memory of a big famine to keep you focussed on survival.  


But it wasn’t just landlords, rich peasants, and “counterrevolutionaries.” Practically every representative of traditional power in Chinese life was crushed. The hundreds of secret societies and sects that had dotted Chinese life, counting about 13 million members in 1949, were destroyed in the “Withdraw from the Sects” campaign; Confucianism and other pillars of the old order were attacked and suppressed; the hundreds of thousands of small shrines that had structured Chinese folk religion were declared “superstitious” and obliterated; major faiths were brought under state supervision, and at the peak of Communist enthusiasm in the 1960s religion was banned entirely and countless ancient temples destroyed. The famous Jing’an Temple in Shanghai, built in the third century, was turned into a plastics factory.

It was rebuilt in 1983.

Even family patriarchs lost much of their authority. Decisions that had once been vested in families and elders—about, say, marriage or the allocation of land—were stripped and transferred either to individuals (in the case of marriage) or the state (in the case of land). In 1950, the Chinese government passed the New Marriage Law, which banned arranged marriage, concubinage, and child betrothal, gave women the right to own property and divorce freely, and allowed women to keep their own names upon marriage. This was a radical departure from the patriarchal order that had governed Chinese marriage for all known history: and while it led to a tremendous amount of conflict, the Chinese state simply crushed opposition—branding elders as “landlords” and encouraging women to “speak bitterness” about their in-laws and grandparents. The mass mobilization of women into the workforce, under the slogan that “women hold up half the sky,” was similarly transformative: tens of millions of women were pulled out of domestic seclusion and into economic life, and thus freed from the control of their families. And so the traditional Chinese kinship unit—not merely a “family” but an autonomous institution governing the lives of its members—was destroyed.

Mao's greatness lay in his using the students to beat his opponents and then using the factory workers to beat the students and chase them into the countryside. Closing the medical schools for a decade doesn't seem to have hurt health outcomes.  I suppose the same could be said for traditional family and clan structures.  

All this meant that between 1949 and 1976, the Chinese state effectively destroyed traditional Chinese society: the social landscape of the old China, with all its complexity and custom, was simplified and smoothed away.

There was the precedent of the First Emperor burning the books & condemning scholars to 'oil basket graves'.  


And in its place, the Chinese state forged a new nation along its preferred ideological lines. Economic development always eluded Mao; but human development—mass education and mass health—proved more attainable.

I suppose Famine is a Darwinian 'shock' which kills off the less fit.  

Literacy campaigns and mass education helped raise the literacy rate from roughly 20 percent in 1949 to almost 70 percent by 1982.

Sadly, this did not mean they could read a newspaper.  

These gains were concentrated among women: Chinese women went from “virtual complete illiteracy” to a literacy rate of about 50 percent during the same period. The progress in health was similarly rapid: child mortality fell by 80 percent between the early 1950s and the late 1970s. Even with all the horrors of Maoist rule—including, it should be remembered, the largest famine in history—between 1949 and 1976 China recorded one of the largest sustained increases in life expectancy of any country in history, rising from about 41 years in 1949 to 61 by 1976.

Since there was no census between 1964 & 1982, the figures were made up.  

And for the first time in history, Chinese women were meaningfully included in public life:

there had been Chinese Empresses 

by the late 1970s, China had a female labor force participation rate exceeding that of many rich countries.

In much of rural Africa, it was 100 percent. Why? If you didn't work, you didn't eat. 

And so by the time that Mao died in 1976, Chinese society had been utterly transformed.

It was worse off than it had been before the split with the Soviet Union. 

It was still a deeply poor and largely agrarian country; but it had education and health outcomes far exceeding what you’d expect from a country at its level of income.

It had shut down its medical schools. That's what you would expect of a shithole.  

And it had crushed the traditional social structures that had previously governed every aspect of Chinese life.

With the result that life had turned to shit. 

It was a socially modern country

like the US where Nixon could have you shot if you called him a crook 

that just happened to be extremely poor: in 1980, China had the same life expectancy as Mexico despite having a per capita GDP 80 percent lower than Mexico’s.

We don't know China's life expectancy in that year. We do know that Chinese people were prepared to emigrate to Mexico or Pakistan to have a better life.  

And this meant that by the late 1970s, even before the “reform and opening up” process started, China was perfectly prepared for industrial capitalism.

That's not what Edwin Lim says. Progress was slow because few Chinese officials understood neo-classical economics. Still, they did understand that they needed to imitate what the 'Tigers' were doing.  

The old constraints—kinship, tenancy, female seclusion—had been swept away; the Chinese workforce was mobile, trainable, and cheap. That mismatch, between China’s level of human development and its level of wealth, was bound to be resolved by rapid economic growth.

Communist China could have done what Taiwan or South Korea did- or going further back in time- what Japan had done. Indeed, China could have modernized after the first Opium War and thus gained superpower status by 1900. 


When analysts from the World Bank visited China in the early 1980s, they reported that its low-income groups were “far better off in terms of basic needs than their counterparts in most other poor countries”;

i.e. they weren't dead. Chinese people weren't being kept alive by American food aid.  

if China’s “immense wealth of human talent, effort and discipline can be combined with policies that increase the efficiency of resource use,” their report said, “China will be able, within a generation or so, to achieve a substantial increase in the living standards of its people.” And that’s exactly what happened.

It had already happened in South Korea & Taiwan etc.  

India’s failed social modernization

On the surface, India’s trajectory was a much happier one. India didn’t need to fight a war of independence to gain independence: power passed from British hands to Indian ones more or less by negotiation. The partition of India was horrific, killing between half a million and two million people;

but most Hindu Indians were wholly unaffected.  

but it still paled in comparison to the scale of the Chinese Civil War, the Sino-Japanese War, or the Great Leap Forward. And in the decades after independence, India enjoyed stability and democratic governance. It never saw the barbarities that China experienced under Mao.

But India also never underwent the social transformation that China did.

Sure it did.  It's just that very little violence was involved. People chose what path to follow and, sometimes, there was legislation to help things along. 

The great power in India in the decades after independence was the Indian National Congress,

set up by British Civil Servants & Indian barristers in the 1880s 

which had been the central vehicle for winning independence.

The Brits wanted India to be self-administering and self-garrisoning. 

Between 1947 and 1989, Congress found itself out of power for only three years; its hold on power wasn’t absolute, but it was certainly dominant. But Congress wasn’t really an ideological movement.

It was Dynastic. 

It had started in the late nineteenth century as a forum for educated Indians seeking moderate reform, and then transformed into a mass movement for independence. It was a big-tent party whose membership amounted to the entire cross-section of Indian life: left-leaning secularists, Hindu traditionalists, upper-caste chauvinists, lower-caste activists, landlords, socialists, and many members who were simply non-ideological and attracted to the charisma of the party’s leaders or the power that membership offered.

And so even though Congress dominated Indian politics for decades, it never offered a coherent program for remaking Indian society.

Nonsense! It was against untouchability and for equal rights for women and so forth. After 1955 it was committed to Socialism but soured on the project because of accumulating losses in the Public Sector.  

If the Chinese Communists sought out endless antagonisms, Congress avoided them; if the Communists imposed radical change from above, crushing all who stood in their way, Congress was happy to defer to existing interests and hope for social cohesion and gradual progress.

There was always something vaguely spiritual about Congress. It would be fair to say that Nehru talked like a Fabian Socialist but, at heart, had a Gandhian belief in the futility of merely material aspirations. 


This doesn’t mean that the leaders of the Congress Party didn’t have their own ambitions for transforming India:

They liked talking. Transforming? Not so much.  

Nehru, who served as prime minister from independence until his death in 1964, had a strong dislike for the “superstition and deadening custom and tradition” of traditional Indian life, and wanted to solve the “insanitation and illiteracy” and “hunger and poverty” that marked the country.

by talking incessantly. Then the Chinese took down his pants and made fun of his puny genitals. He realised he had been living in a make-believe world.  

But Congress wasn’t united behind him: Nehru simply didn’t have the power to achieve this in a real way.

Nehru didn't want to achieve anything in particular. He just liked talking.  

In 1950, for example, Nehru and his law minister—the famed lower-caste activist B. R. Ambedkar—introduced the Hindu Code Bill, a sweeping reform of Hindu personal law. (Under the Indian constitution, different religious communities were governed by different systems of personal law.) The bill would have outlawed polygamy, granted women the right to divorce and inherit property, and permitted inter-caste marriage.

It would have been ignored. Nehru was being silly. Indian law was customary in nature. It didn't matter what a Statute said. It was sufficient for a practice to be customary for it to be legal.  

It was similar in structure to the New Marriage Law that the Chinese government passed the same year, though it stopped short of banning arranged marriages like the New Marriage Law had. But the Chinese government had imposed the New Marriage Law by fiat and steamrolled those who stood in its way. Nehru and Ambedkar, by contrast, found themselves frustrated by a wave of opposition from Hindu traditionalists: even India’s president attacked the bill, suggesting that introducing concepts “foreign to Hindu law” would “cause disruption in every family.”

The question was who would win the first General Election under universal franchise. What if traditional Hindu outfits won big?  

And so the Hindu Code Bill died in parliament. Ambedkar resigned in disgust; and while Nehru ultimately succeeded in reforming Hindu law, he was forced to agree to enormous concessions.

Everyone knew the law didn't matter in the slightest. You could always claim to be Muslim and marry as many girls as you liked.  

The law that regulated Hindu inheritance, for example, exempted agricultural land from its purview entirely, and so didn’t touch the vast majority of useful property;

The rule that regulates inheritance of farmland has to do with being repeatedly stabbed.  

the law that regulated marriage included a right to divorce, but also a provision for the “restitution of conjugal rights” that gave husbands a court-enforceable right to compel their wives to return home.

Fuck off! That's a money claim. If your wife has some cash, she has to pay you some money in order to get a divorce.  

But it didn’t really matter what the laws said: enforcement was weak to nonexistent. Divorce and intercaste marriage, whatever their legal status, remained vanishingly rare, because the village and the family enforced the old rules regardless of what the law said; customs that compelled women to renounce their inheritance claims, like the Rajasthani custom of haq tyag (“sacrifice of right”) or the Haryanvi custom of karewa (forced remarriage of widows to control their land rights), remained common. Even the officials charged with enforcing the laws subverted them: the administrators who registered inheritance claims, for example, would routinely pressure daughters to sign away their rights in favor of their brothers.

Why bother? Stabbing people is the traditional way to assert property rights.  


And that was the general pattern of attempts at social modernization in India in the twentieth century: highly publicized reforms, followed by little change on the ground.

Unless there was actual social transformation which is why both my widowed grandmothers inherited their husband's property and were able to make some good investments.  

In 1961, the Indian government made dowries—payments made by a bride’s family to the groom’s family at marriage—illegal, since the practice entrenched the subordination of women and encouraged domestic abuse. But the law went entirely unenforced; dowries remained as popular as ever, and all the abuses linked to dowries still flourished. (Between 1999 and 2016, dowry-related murders accounted for 40 to 50 percent of all female homicides recorded in India.)

The daughter of Arun Nehru- a cousin of Rajiv Gandhi- alleged that her husband- the son of a billionaire shipping tycoon- was harassing her for dowry. Nobody believed her. 

The same was true of attempts at land reform. Several Indian states attempted land reform in the 1940s, ‘50s, and ‘60s; but enforcement was lax.

Unless it wasn't. Oddly, the Commies in West Bengal were quite good at redistributing 'surplus' land.  

Landlords managed to simply evade the rules through legal means, like transferring holdings to relatives, or registering land under fictitious names; or they simply bribed or intimidated government officials. And so very little really happened.

Unless it did. When a Society is transformed, things change even if no laws change.  

All of this meant that the Indian state was never able to achieve the social modernization that the Chinese state accomplished.

A State founded on Terror is not 'modern'. It is very ancient indeed.  

The dense web of kinship obligations and customary authority that governed social life remained intact.

Only in some places. 

Caste panchayats still adjudicated disputes; joint families still pooled and redistributed income; and women remained bound by all the strictures of traditional life.

If that is what they chose to do.  

Nor was the Indian state able to accomplish the dramatic improvements in human capital that occurred in China.

China closed its Medical Colleges for a decade. India didn't. That's why you will find lots of Indian Doctors in the US.  

Just as it was unable to reform social life,

unless people wanted a reformed social life- which is what people of my caste have had for many decades. 

it was unable to provide effective services; health outcomes remained dismal. Within a single generation, India’s health outcomes went from comparable to Chinese ones to dramatically worse.

The Chinese outcomes were pure fabrication. 

The gap between Indian and Chinese life expectancy widened from three years in 1950 to 11 years in 1980.

But the census was only held in 1982! How the fuck did the Chinese know how many people were alive and what their ages were?  

Child mortality told the same story. In 1950, 27 percent of Indian children died before the age of five, compared to 32 percent of Chinese children; by 1980 it was 17 percent in India, against 6.3 percent in China.

China had a census in 1964 but its accuracy is questionable. What is certain is that any figures prior to 1982 were fabricated. 

And the same with education. Nehru and his successors were keenly interested in technology and the peaks of scientific achievement; but they could never muster similar enthusiasm for mass education.

That was a State subject. It was up to the local politicians to provide as much or as little of it as the voters wanted. 

So India established a network of world-class technical institutions, like the Indian Institutes of Technology and the Indian Institutes of Management, while neglecting everything else: even today, India’s elite technical universities receive the majority of government funding for higher education, while educating only 2.6 percent of the university population.

Nonsense! The States spend the lion's share of the education budget on primary and secondary schools & Colleges of various sorts. Half of the Central budget for Higher Education goes to 'elite' institutions. But there are plenty of other fee-charging Universities. 

Indian mass education, meanwhile, remained abysmal. In 1990, only 55 percent of Indian children had completed primary school three to five years after the expected completion age, against 87 percent of Chinese children; and even those who did go to school often got little out of it.

It is difficult to fire illiterate or absentee teachers. China can just shoot them.  

In 2009, when India participated in PISA—the Programme for International Student Assessment, which ranks students across countries based on test scores in math, science, and reading—it ranked 72nd out of 73 countries. (China ranked at the top.) The Indian government responded to this embarrassing result by never participating in PISA again. This lack of investment in education is visible in Indian literacy rates, which only exceeded China’s 1990 level in the early 2020s.

It is irrelevant. What matters is the return to education relative to the return to knifing people. Where the latter is high, Student Leaders concentrate on knifing people.  


This lack of progress was particularly brutal for Indian women.

Hindu women tend to do better than Chinese women when it comes to top jobs in the public or private sector.  

There was no great liberation of Indian women as there had been of Chinese women: all the abuses of traditional life, from dowry murders to forced marriages, remained common.

Wholly unknown amongst the vast majority.  

Literacy rates for women remained extremely low; in 1981, only 26 percent of Indian women knew how to read. And with women’s lives still determined by the whims of their families,

rather than the whims of a politician 

the vast majority of women remained in the home: by the late 2010s, India recorded a female labor force participation rate of about 27 percent, one of the lowest rates in the world—closer to Afghanistan, at 18 percent, than to China, at 61 percent.

Oddly, a lot of people would prefer to remain at home rather than have to work in a factory.  Because India is a Democracy, politicians figure out ways to pay poorer women a little money in return for their votes. 

(India’s low rate of female labor force participation, in fact, means that India’s labor force remains significantly smaller than China’s, despite India having a larger population: in 2019, in fact, China’s labor force was 45 percent larger than India’s.)

All of this meant that by the time that India liberalized its economy in the early 1990s, it simply didn’t have the pool of high-quality, low-wage labor that China could command.

It did, but compliance costs were higher & infrastructure roll-out was tardy. 

Thanks to its elite technical universities, India did have a relatively small number of highly-educated engineers, who became the backbone for India’s IT services economy; but it didn’t have the workforce for manufacturing-led growth.

Currently, a lot of small to medium sized outfits are operating at 50 percent capacity because of blue-collar worker shortage. They blame the gig economy.  

Its workers were less literate, less healthy, and less productive than what China could offer; they were bound by caste and kinship obligations that made them reluctant to migrate for work or sell their labor freely;

Actually, such networks made migration easier.  

and because so few women participated in the labor force, India had a higher dependency ratio than China, with each working Indian supporting far more people who weren’t working.

There is a leisure preference built in to the economies of very hot and humid countries. 


India did grow after liberalization, of course; and by historical standards its growth was generally quite fast. But it never saw the manufacturing boom and explosive growth that China exhibited.

Because it initially relied on a capital-intensive strategy before running out of money. After that, it went in a populist direction. Families have a portfolio of investments- some agricultural land, one or two small industrial units, some retail & residential property. But what makes all this cohere is an opaque relationship with local government & the nationalized banks. That is why the Indian farmer's protests was about protecting the 'arhatiya' middle-man who provides a broad range of services.  

It hadn’t accomplished the prerequisites.

There are no prerequisites. Take a bunch of hungry people and give them food if they work their asses off. Those who survive and reproduce are your industrial proletariat.  

Human capital is what really matters

Sadly, human capital can run the fuck away from shitholes.  


I think that people make economic development more complicated than it needs to be. It’s true, of course, that certain policies are better than other policies, and that all sorts of things go into successful economic management: disastrous decisions can ruin everything, though (as Mao’s many disastrous decisions might suggest) not permanently.

Unless they aren't reversed.  

But when you come down to it, countries are large groups of people. And the most important thing for the success of those groups is simply who’s in them: this is as true for countries as it is for companies, music bands, and sports teams.

You can always bring in smart people from elsewhere.  

Human capital is what really matters. Whether the people can read; whether they’re stunted due to undernourishment; whether their families let them work outside the home.

Is irrelevant. You just need one guy who can read a bit to supervise a whole bunch of guys who can't read at all.  

Human capital isn’t the only thing that matters, and of course you also need institutions that can harness the country’s human capital. But you need the human capital to be there in the first place.

You just need human beings who will work for food. We are a self-domesticated species.  


One of the nice things about countries, though, is that you can change who the people are. You can teach them to read and make sure they have enough to eat;

No you can't. I recall, trying to teach Argentina to read Sanskrit in 1968. It told me to fuck off. I cried and cried. To cheer me up, Mum let me provide Peru with plenty of chocolate cake to eat. I hope they were grateful.  

you can make sure they have the freedom to make their own decisions.

Very true. I made sure the Irish leprechauns would have the freedom to make their own decisions. Sadly, they appointed Leo Varadkar Taoiseach.  

This isn’t easy, and it takes a long time for it to have an effect—not least because childhood undernutrition and poor schooling have consequences that can’t really be reversed. But you really can change who the people are.

What made China a “miracle waiting to happen” in 1980 was that

other Chinese people living in less horribly misgoverned countries had already done very well  

it had spent decades doing exactly that. By the time it opened its economy to the world, China had hundreds of millions of capable, disciplined, healthy, and literate workers; it had freed them from the constraints of traditional culture, such that market logic could triumph unimpeded by the old order; and because it had failed almost totally in economic development up to that point, it could offer those workers at unbelievably low wages. It’s not hard to see why it grew so rapidly once it opened its economy to the world.

What China offered was stability. You don't have to worry that some bunch of protesting students will bring down the Communist party.  

The Indian government never made the catastrophic decisions that the Chinese government did in the 1950s and ‘60s. But it also never made the basic investments that the Chinese government made,

Sure it did. There were Medical Schools and a Public Health System and so forth. True, in some places, the locals kept raping the Doctors & Nurses and Teachers till they all ran away, but that was a matter of democratic social choice.  

and it never managed to challenge the traditional social order with a fraction of the ferocity that China did.

The traditional social order in India was as weak as a kitten- which is how come it was ruled by British people.  

And so in all sorts of metrics—life expectancy, child mortality, literacy, female labor force participation, childhood wasting, childhood stunting, anemic pregnancies, maternal mortality—an enormous gap opened up between China and India well before they liberalized their economies.

No. The Chinese didn't have any reliable statistics. India did. Why? India was in the begging bowl business. China was in the business of pretending its people were richer than Americans.  

I think the true moment of divergence was not in 1978, when China began to reform its economic system, but in 1950—when China passed the New Marriage Law,

The KMT had passed something similar in 1930 or '31 but it was considered bourgeois. Mainland China only got a unified code in 2020.  

while India failed to pass the Hindu Code Bill. It was then that the direction of future things was written.

The Hindu Code was passed four or five years later. It made no difference whatsoever. Society was already changing by a process of 'Tardean mimetics'. Girls were completing their education before marriage. By the 1950s, more and more of them returned to work after having a baby or two. 

India, in other words, never really did the basics.

No. In India, the 'forward castes' were demographically replaced by 'backward castes'. But, now, they too are undergoing demographic transition.  

Health and education outcomes in India have improved significantly over the last few decades; and while India hasn’t exhibited the world-historical growth of the Chinese juggernaut, it has still brought an extraordinary number of people out of poverty since the start of the 21st century. At current levels of growth, India will be about as wealthy as China on a per capita basis sometime in the 2040s. It’s impressive, in fact, that India has managed to grow so much without having accomplished the social transformation that China did. Given how brutal that social transformation was, perhaps that’s a good thing.

In India, we simply don't know which party will be in power a decade from now. The plain fact is, India has preserved much of its inheritance from the British- about whom Santayana said 'the world never had sweeter masters'. But the Brits were interested in providing only a night-watchman state. They weren't trying to impose crazy ideas of their own.  

But it was also a tragedy for the people of India. They remain significantly poorer and worse-off than their Chinese counterparts.

Unless they work hard and become significantly richer. The difference between an Indian billionaire and a Chinese billionaire is that the former doesn't fear being 'disappeared'.  

The situation for Indian women in particular remains horrific.

Unless they happen to be the President of the country.  


So I hope that this history of the Sino-Indian divergence conveys a simple lesson: if you want your country to go from poor to rich, the most important thing is investing in your people.

By starving them, killing them and shutting down all the Medical schools for a decade.  

When I was in India last year, one of the main things I noticed about Indian policymakers was their firm belief that with a few adjustments—industrial policy here, market liberalization there—India could start to match China’s growth record.

 We could at least catch up with Vietnam. 

And I don’t condemn them for thinking along those lines: good policies certainly do help a country grow. But China’s explosive growth wasn’t simply a matter of “freeing the markets,” reducing the role of the state, and announcing that it was now glorious to get rich; nor was it simply a matter of government intervention to support the manufacturing sector and subsidies for favored companies. China succeeded because it spent decades on the basics of human development and social modernization.

It really didn't. China destroyed the life-chances of an entire cohort in an act of unprecedented vandalism.  

India did not. The rest is just commentary.

India did what its neighbours did for pretty much the same reasons. It is what Chairman Xi has done- e.g. get rid of absolute poverty while gaining a threat point against the US- which focuses minds. 

When I was a kid, High School Econ textbooks had chapters on Industrial Policy & Manpower Policy & Regional Policy & Optimal Tariff theory. China's success relative to Trump's US has put stuff of that sort back on the curriculum.

What isn't true is that Mao was an 'engineer of human souls' who created a brand new type of Chinese person who, by her hard-work and thrift, could save Affluent Societies from Stagflation.