Sunday, 29 September 2024

Julian Go's subaltern standpoint

In a chapter titled 'the subaltern standpoint' in his book 'Postcolonial Thought and Social Theory' Julian Go writes- 

“[I]f postcolonial thought is to lay claim to political and ethical import,” avers Leela Gandhi,

it must actually go to a postcolonial country and engage in politics or in moral entrepreneurism. Shitting out boring books in a College Campus in Europe or America doesn't change anything. True, there can be exceptions. Edward Said was quite an effective spokesperson for the PLO at one time. But that was because Yasser Arafat was an important figure back then.  

“it must use the analytic advantage of historical hindsight scrupulously to disclose the failure of imperial binarism.”

Imperialism meant ruling over distant colonies. That ended when most colonies could no longer 'pay for themselves' nor rely on the Imperial country providing protection. There were some exceptions. Martinique chose to remain with France. The Falklands still need the British Navy. 

Gandhi here announces a central task for postcolonial theory: to overcome what Said called the “law of division” or, in Gandhi’s terms, “imperial binarism,” by reconstructing the past through reconnecting relations.

In other words, telling stupid lies. But such lies didn't help Leela's ancestor- the Mahacrackpot.  

As a humanistic project, Said’s contrapuntal modality means to realize this urgent task.

One might say he was pushing back against a well-entrenched Israel lobby. Anti-Semitism we will always have with us. It helped that Said was a Protestant and had been to the right schools and Colleges.  

As a social scientific project, postcolonial relationalism is a promising aperture. We have pursued this in the previous chapter.

Go had written ' This is a relationalism that attends to the mutual constitution of the powerful and powerless,

There is no such 'mutual constitution'. Either a country has a big navy and army with which to occupy colonies or it does not. 

 the metropole and colony, the core and the postcolony, the Global North and Global South.

People like Nehru had tried to organize the 'Global South' so as to gain countervailing power. But, 'Panchsheel' & the Bandung Conference failed. In 1962, Nkrumah wrote to the British PM demanding that Britain stop helping India. In 1965, Sukarno sided with Pakistan against India. Later, the 'Brandt commission' and other such initiatives failed miserably. 

 It is relationalism taken to the geopolitical scene, scaled upward and outward to critically apprehend imperial interactions and their enduring legacies that have been for too long covered up by extant social science.

It was stupid shit. The powerless can't help each other or themselves. 

We have seen that relationalism embeds within social theory a postcolonial approach for overcoming not only analytic bifurcation, but also, relatedly, Orientalism, the occlusion of empire and of colonized agency.

Japan, Korea and China were all 'oriental' and had Confucian ideas in common. This did not prevent Japan trying to conquer both. The big problem with such 'relationism' was that they tended to work in favor of one country which sought to dominate others similar to itself. Consider 'Pan-Arabism'. It was a miserable failure.  

Yet, these are not the only obstacles that we must overcome in order to craft social theories and sociologies sensitive to the postcolonial challenge.

i.e. telling stupid lies about how all us darkies should unite against Whitey. The problem is that it is other darkies who keep trying to steal all our cool shiny stuff.  

There is another. We have named it metrocentrism. Metrocentrism, recall, is the generalized analytic practice of Eurocentric universalism. It is the practice of false universalism: taking a specific parochial or particular experience and assuming it is universal.

It may be misapplied but it can be very useful. Lawyers and Judges in India or Kenya might take note of judgments made in other English speaking jurisdictions. So may legislators. Economists and Statisticians, too, may use techniques developed elsewhere.  

Postcolonial theorists problematized this false universalism on several fronts, from the universalism of European humanism to that of Marxism.

But they wrote like shit. Nobody could understand what they were getting at.  

The question thus remains. How can this limitation be transcended in social science?

Easily enough if you are smart and have a decent 'Structural Causal Model' to work with. What matters is whether what you are doing is useful. Thus, suppose the government of your country is auctioning 5G spectrum. You look around and see how other countries have done it. Which approach made the most money? There is a mathematical 'auction theory' which enables you to make good enough predictions. 

Relationalism is not necessarily the panacea. The very theoretical opposition between relationalism and substantialism has an arguably provincial genealogy that is confined to European Enlightenment thought.

No. Both are mathematical au fond. Because of complexity, concurrency, and computability problems, the substantive approach may be off the table. The best you can do is seek to promote a better correlated equilibria based on better public signals.  

And, for all their relational insights, Bourdieu’s field theory and Latour’s actor-network theory can be said to be provincial theories, rooted in the particular context of Anglo-European theorizing and concerns.

Nonsense! Both can be applied well enough in India or South Africa.  

Universalizing such theories helps transcend the imperial episteme’s law of division, but does it not also reproduce the imperial episteme’s metrocentrism at the same time?

Not if you live in India or South Africa and simply use a particular vocabulary or methodology which has been implemented elsewhere. Why reinvent the wheel?  

If we want a postcolonial social theory

We don't. It is useless.  

that goes beyond metrocentrism, we may have to look elsewhere. This chapter ponders the possibilities, and ultimately suggests that, for overcoming metrocentrism, we might fare well to look at what can be termed “the subaltern standpoint.”

Fine. Go to a poor country and make Youtube videos of poor people explaining what problems they face and how their lives could be made better and more productive.  

FROM METROCENTRISM TO THE STANDPOINT Let us first return to metrocentrism. As seen in Chapter Two, metrocentrism was a characteristic of early social theory and social science more generally, and it remains pervasive and palpable today. Wallerstein (1998) suggests that metrocentrism is one of the dominant modalities of Eurocentric social science, though he calls it “universalism”: the view that “scientific truths that are valid across all time and space.”

This is certainly true in the natural sciences. However, a false theory- e.g. that History is about class struggle rather than class cooperation- will be shit no matter where it is applied. 

According to Wallerstein, “European social science,” exhibits “universalism in asserting that whatever happened in Europe in the sixteenth to nineteenth centuries is applicable everywhere” (Wallerstein 1997: 93).

But the Germans were Listian and kept banging on about 'sonderweg'- or 'special path'. But lots of countries said they would develop according to their own native genius thus avoiding the problems of Capitalism or Socialism or whatever.  

No doubt, from modernization theory to Durkheim’s theory of anomie, from Marx’s theory of class conflict to Foucault’s theory of disciplinary power—these theories are rooted in the specific experience of Anglo-European metropoles.

They were stupid lies. It isn't really true that Society secretly wants to watch you poop and will punish you if you rebel against Capitalism by eating your own shit.  

Metrocentrism arises as these theories are unproblematically applied everywhere around the world: a world that now figures, by this false universalism, as a blank slate onto which we project our Eurocentric concepts.

Americo-centric maybe. Europe is washed up. The plain fact is that commercial enterprises around the world begin to resemble each other as scientific management techniques are introduced. Politics and Jurisprudence too converge to what is most effective. However, if in a particular country- e.g. China- the ruling Party waded through an ocean of blood to secure absolute power, it is unlikely they will permanently surrender such power- unless the leader, like Gorbachev, is as stupid as shit.  

Remember, too, the assumption that underpins metrocentrism: that the particular experiences of Anglo-European metropoles are not particular, and, therefore, that social theories based upon those experiences are universal.

Some are, some aren't. Stock Exchanges may work in pretty much the same way around the world but there may be historical institutions- e.g. the Monarchy or the Established Church- which are ideographic, not nomothetic.  

Metrocentrism denies the situatedness of knowledge.

It may usefully deny that 'situatedness' matters greatly in economic processes. A foreign company may grow rapidly in a particular country. However, it is unlikely that a foreign politician will be able to win elections in a country of which he has little knowledge.  

Universalizing the particular while denying the particularity of that which is universalized, it attempts to pull the god trick. It refuses to recognize that the supposed view from nowhere is always–already from somewhere.

But if all experts, no matter where they are from, come to the same conclusion then it is a 'view from nowhere in particular'.  

As Harding (1992: 312) notes, this especially pernicious assumption guides Anglo-European science in its entirety.

But such science has been very successful. Voodoo, on the other hand, isn't successful.  

By this assumption, only metropolitans have scientific knowledge.

No. Only those trained in science who are actually doing science have such knowledge. I may live in London but I lack scientific knowledge. There are guys living in remote jungles in India who have plenty of scientific knowledge- which is why they are doing research in out of the way places.  

“Western science, which is simply ‘science’ for Eurocentrists, is conceptualized as fundamentally pure ideas, not as the culturally determinate institutions and practices that historians, sociologists and anthropologists report” (Harding 1992: 312).

Also Western Mummies and Daddies are conceptualized as pure Mummies or Daddies. Kids don't say 'I like kissing my Western Mummy'. They just say 'I like kissing Mumsy. She is the bestest Mumsy in the whole world'. This shows that Western kids are very evil and metrocentric and thus should be forced to learn 'the subaltern standpoint' in Grad Skool.  

We know that this assumption of an omnipotent knower, the Cartesian subject who is fully rational and objective, independent of social determination, is itself historically and geopolitically rooted in the emergence and rise of the Dutch empire and the early stages of Europe’s global reign (Dussel 2008).

No we don't. The fact is Descartes arrives at the same type of Occassionalism as Ghazali or the Gita. One might say that something like 'analytic geometry' was available to both and this explains the commonality. 

Writing from the “decoloniality of knowledge” school in philosophy, Grosfoguel (2012: 89)

who is White and has a Dick. This means he is very evil.  

aptly summarizes what this means: We see here the beginning of the ego-politics of knowledge

only because you have a dick. Cut the thing off immediately! Then you won't be seeing any fucking 'ego-politics'. You will be weeping and weeping.  

which is nothing less than a secularization of the Christian cosmology of the theo-politics of knowledge.

Christian cosmology does not feature analytic geometry.  

In the ego-politics of knowledge, the subject of enunciation is erased, hidden, camouflaged….

No. Descartes signed his name to his book. He had no objection to becoming famous.  

The latter is a point of view that hides itself as a point of view,

Descartes often used to disguise himself as a potted plant.  

or, put differently, the point of view that assumes having no point of view.

The dude said 'I think therefore I am'. He didn't say 'I am the cosmos and often take the form of a potted plant.'  

We are dealing, then, with a philosophy in which the epistemic subject has no sexuality, gender, ethnicity, race, class, spirituality, language, or epistemic location within power relations, and a subject that produces truth from an interior monologue with himself without relation to anyone outside him.

But he still has a dick. He just wasn't tugging at it incessantly or, if he was, he kept that under his hat.  

Metrocentrism is thus a particularly troubling barrier to postcolonial social theory,

More particularly if, like Julian Go, you live in Chicago- which is a big metropolis.  

because its associated positivist assumption of full knowledge and objectivity coming from a disembodied knower is seemingly intrinsic to social scientific thought.

There is no such assumption. The ugly duckling theorem suggests there will always be some bias.  

Keim (2008: 562) argues that “general sociological theory, by definition, encompasses in the scope of its statements any society, North or South, and claims to be valid for all of them equally” (emphasis added).

This may be but everybody thinks Sociology is a shit subject.  

It thus seems impossible to overcome one (metrocentrism) without casting out the other (social theory). The very idea of “social theory” carries metrocentric assumptions that hide the situatedness of knowledge.

The 'social theory' of a bunch of savages living in a remote jungle would not be very interesting.  

The original meaning of theory goes back to the Greek noun theōria and verb theōrein, which suggest detachment and vision: a “visually determined contemplation of the world from afar.”

As opposed to chopping off your dick and gouging out your eyes with it.  

The possibility of social theory itself, therefore, depends upon a “scopic regime of ‘Cartesian perspectivalism’” (Jay 1996: 169; Abend 2008: 180).

But that 'possibility' turned out to be a waste of time.  

Is metrocentrism alleviated, circumvented, or transcended by relational social theory?

No. Only stupid people go in for it. Still, the metropolis in which such people teach shows little interest in their babbling.  

It is true that rewriting our accounts of modernity to show how imperialism and colonialism constituted modernity or disclosing the complex connectedness of North and South can help unseat if not upend traditional Eurocentric sociological theories and overcome sociology’s analytic bifurcations.

But it would still be a shit subject which only cretins go in for.  

... Would not a postcolonial relationalism that uncritically universalizes these theories and applies them to the entire globe run the risk of reinforcing and perpetuating metrocentrism rather than transcending it?

But how else can it get paid? If you say 'I don't know shit about shit- indeed, nobody can know shit about shit'- then nobody will hire you to teach. 

All of this brings us back to front: a postcolonial social science is impossible.

No. It is possible because shitting is easy.  

If we can overcome imperial binarism,

which disappeared long ago 

we cannot also overcome metrocentrism, which is etched into the very fabric of social science.

by chopping off our dicks and gouging out our eyes.  

The most we can do is follow Chakrabarty’s suggestion of provincializing that which is presumably universal:

Charkrabarty resigned from his well paid job in Amrika so as to return to Calcutta and starve to death. 

hence, write deconstructive histories, not postcolonial social theories.

Both are nonsense. The former is about saying 'the author does not exist because he is the mise en abyme of chopping off his own dick' while the latter is about saying 'Whitey be debil'.   

The present chapter resists this conclusion. It argues that the transcendence of metrocentrism lies not in overturning social science but drawing upon a post-positivist strand already immanent to it: standpoint theory.

The problem is that the standpoint of a Professor of useless shite is a shitty standpoint.  

More precisely, this chapter articulates together standpoint theory with another emerging body of work in social science that is sometimes called “indigenous sociology” (also known as “Southern Theory”) .

Which is better done on an American campus.  

The latter has emerged in the wake of the postcolonial onslaught, and seeks to overcome Eurocentrism in sociology by excavating native voices from the Global South.

Easily done by actually going there and talking to natives.  

Along the Southern barricades, critical theorists have trumpeted this sort of sociology. It can be seen as a parallel project with postcolonial theory, but it has maneuvered on different terrain than second-wave postcolonial theory in the humanities. My argument is that this Southern Theory/indigenous sociology movement

championed by a White lady who teaches in Australia. She mentions Veena Das who did teach in Delhi but who subsequently was able to emigrate to America.  

holds promise for meeting the postcolonial challenge, but that its promises can best be realized if it is mobilized with and articulated as a form of standpoint theory.

The relevant standpoint being that of a Professor of useless shit. Still, there was a time when people like Veena Das or Gayatri Spivak or Dipshit Chuckrafuckoff were useful because they appeared Lefty but were actually no such thing. If they were able to emigrate to greener pastures, well and good.  

 Go quotes Said & Dipshit at the beginning of this chapter-

Without significant exception the universalizing discourses of modern Europe and the United States assume the silence, willing or otherwise, of the non-European world.

This wasn't the case. Europeans went to foreign countries and learned their languages from natives. They translated the classic works in those languages into their own tongues. Explorers used native guides. Plenty of talking occurred. Speaking generally, the 'emic' native's opinions were deferred to though at a certain point- e.g. with Sanskrit in Germany- European scholars went their own way because 'critical mass' had been achieved.  

There is incorporation; there is inclusion, there is direct rule, there is coercion.

Said's Egypt had a 'veiled protectorate' for about forty years. His Palestine was a British mandate for about thirty years. Plenty of dialogue occurred between 'natives' and the Imperial power.  

But there is only infrequently an acknowledgement that the colonized people should be heard from, their ideas known. Edward Said, Culture and Imperialism, 

No. There was always an acknowledgment that the smarter or more influential natives should be heard from and coopted as far as possible. Said studied Literature. He didn't know shit about History or Politics or Economics.  

For generations now, philosophers and thinkers who shape the nature of social science have produced theories that embrace the entirety of humanity.

Not in Europe where a clear distinction was made between 'Christendom' and the howling heathens found on other continents. Marx, it must be said, was influenced by the Chartist leader, Ernest Jones, who had been brought up in Germany. This led to his coming to think of his theory as having universal application. 

As we will know, these statements have been produced in relative, and sometimes absolute, ignorance of the majority of humankind—that is, those living in non-Western cultures. […]

Not in the London of Jones and Marx. If you wanted to know about India or Africa, you could find an Indian or an African in your neighborhood who could explain things to you.  

The everyday paradox of third-world social science is that we find these theories, in spite of their ignorance of ‘us’, eminently useful in understanding our societies?

Because, au fond, everything is about economics which features objective functions which can be maximized or minimized.  

What allowed the modern European sages to develop such clairvoyance with regard to societies of which they were empirically ignorant?

Mathematical economics and Statistics.  

Why cannot we, once again, return the gaze? Dipesh Chakrabarty, Provincializing Europe, 

Mahalanobis was Bengali, just like Dipshit. He set up the Indian Statistical Institute- the only 'third world' institution which was directly copied by a Western University. Plenty of smart Bengalis have 'returned the gaze' of the West- to the West's great profit. 

Julian Go's fundamental mistake is to think that 'Postcolonial thought is the intellectual equivalent of the anticolonial movements of the twentieth century that birthed it.

This isn't the case. Postcolonial thought was and is the thought of the people who took over the administration of the countries which ceased to be colonies. It represents the Establishment rather than a revolutionary fringe. The intellectual equivalent of the anti-colonial movement would be Hayekian Neo-Liberalism which attacks the corrupt rent seeking of the ruling elite.  

The shit Go considers 'Postcolonial thought' is stuff useless academics used to emigrate to the West so as to gain intellectual affirmative action- i.e. jobs as token darkies. 

 Hence the question: How might social theory survive the invasion?

Social theory turned to shit a long time ago. It became adversely selective of cretins who need to be able to gas on about how they are survivors of horrendous epistemic self-abuse and thus should be granted tenure by way of reparation. 

 

Friday, 27 September 2024

Dagger Symmetry & Shakra's vulva-eyes



Why can't Love, in Creation's Calculus, be a valid 'Lambda term'?
Must Dagger Symmetry defeat e'en a stochastic Logos' sperm?
My dick, in Missionary, a but boomerang
My Son's birth- its reverse Big Bang.

Envoi-
Prince! Given that, for bhavachakra, my generation was given Wheeler's 'It from Bit'
What fucks Shakra's vulva eyes is the fart of a heart full of shit.






Thursday, 26 September 2024

Luka Jukic & civic vs ethnic nationalism.

Nations existed before there was Nationalism or very much in way of civic life. Speaking generally, 'natural borders' defined nations- stuff like mountains and deserts and big rivers- but religion too could create boundaries. Interestingly, different languages- e.g. Welsh and English or Basque and Spanish- could co-exist within 'natural borders' such that, in practice, there was a common nationality. 

Writing for Aeon, Luka Ivan Jukić, takes a different view- 

The forging of countries
Two distinct and conflicting forms of nationalism – civic and ethnic – helped create the nation-states of Europe

There is not a single European country of which this is true. Jukic's mistake is to take at face value Hans Kohn's 'The idea of Nationalism'. Kohn hadn't noticed that multi-national Empires- e.g. that of Sweden before Norway broke away- were, in some sense, in 'personal union' through a particular monarch with a claim to more than one throne. Even when this was not the case, there was the historic memory of indigenous institutions- e.g. in Poland. But these institutions dated back to pre-history. They predated 'civic' as opposed to tribal life and had their own myths and legends dating back to when the World was young and Gods walked amongst men. 

Consider the first success for 'Nationalism' in the Twentieth Century. This was when Norway, partly for economic reasons, broke up its 'personal union' with Sweden. We can't understand the plays of Ibsen without grasping this aspect of the historical background. 

For Kohn, the real culprit for the downfall of his multinational homeland (Austria-Hungary) was not the war itself, but the force of nationalism that in its waning years exerted such a powerful sway over its people.

The Hapsburg was doomed by its defeat in 1867 which meant it had to let Hungary gain an equal status. But the Magyars were a minority in the territory they claimed and, in any case, were kray kray. German speakers increasingly looked to Germany, while the Czechs dreamed of a restoration of the Kingdom of Bohemia. The Southern Slavs- if Catholic- may have been conciliated and acted as a counterweight to the Hungarians. But the Italian subjects of the Emperor were chafing at the bit. The Poles hated the Tzar more than the Hapsburgs and thus they too would want to join their compatriots. 

What the Great War revealed was that War was no longer 'the sport of Kings'. The age of Emperors had come to an end. A Nation- like the Serbs- might be prepared to take massive casualties and engage in 'total war', but no Emperor could inspire such devotion.  

He was hardly alone in this assessment. For at least three-quarters of a century, central and eastern Europe has served as the prime example of the pitfalls of nationalism.

They could be ruled in no other way than as nation-states. Kings were useless. Even the Communist Party's 'Evil Empire' had to pretend to rule sovereign nation-states.  

In particular, of the kind of ethnic nationalism that, we are often told, is characteristic of this non-Western world.

That's interesting. I think most people include countries like Greece and Poland in the Western world.  

It was this particularly central and eastern European ethnic nationalism, this perspective goes, that was responsible for the collapse of the diverse and cosmopolitan Habsburg Monarchy.

Catholic Ireland separated from Britain though this had few practical consequences as England could still get in plenty of cheap Irish labor as well as highly educated professionals.  

For the failure of the new democracies that took over from empires in 1918 – Germany, Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia and others.

Liberal democracy first failed in Portugal (where the monarchy was overthrown in 1910). Indeed, the brief reign of Siodonio Pais has been considered by some to be a precursor to the Fascism of Mussolini. By 1926, the military had taken power and the country went down a Corporatist path.  

And for the rise of authoritarian and fascist regimes in their place, the largest of which would go on to perpetrate the most horrific genocide in human history in the Holocaust.

Why bother with gas-chambers when we can blow up the entire planet?  

According to this orthodox view, the essentially ethnic nature of central and eastern European nationalism contrasts starkly with that of the Western democracies of France,

which is within what Talleyrand called its 'natural borders' 

the United Kingdom

which let go of Catholic Ireland. Perhaps Ulster, with a Catholic majority, will join the Republic and thus remain within the EU. What about Scotland? Will it become independent?  

and the United States.

Perhaps there will be another Civil War between Red and Blue states. 

They are characterised as thoroughly civic nations, based not on supposedly primordial tribal identity, but on common citizenship and a democratic understanding of politics.

The US is understood as a country based upon slavery and genocide.  

In all three, the US, UK and France, their civic nationalism is a centuries-old tradition, dating back to their foundation as modern nations.

The UK is a Kingdom. That's what the K in UK stands for. King Charles is a direct descendant of the brother of Athelstan (who had no children) the first King of England over a thousand years ago. He is also descended from Count Dracula- which is totes cool.  

Incidentally Charles is also King of Canada and Australia. 

Kohn was the first historian to systematically seek out the roots of this divergence between the nature of nationhood in the Western democracies, and the central and eastern European countries in his weighty book The Idea of Nationalism (1944).

It was foolish. Finland is like Sweden and Norway. Once given a chance, Estonia and Latvia and even Lithuania went down a similar road. Russia didn't. The nature of nationhood has a lot to do with economics and geopolitics. It has nothing to do with ideology.  

Kohn’s book grew into a foundational work of ‘nationalism studies’ in the Anglophone world and has influenced generations of scholars and readers alike.

It was useless.  If a country- like Greece- was worth saving from Communism, it went one way whereas Albania went a different way. Yugoslavia was sui generis. When I was at the LSE, a Yugoslav scholar- Borna Bebek lectured me on how his country had overcome divisions of religion and ethnicity. Apparently, he was a chum of Rajiv Gandhi wo fell victim to Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism. 

The fact is, India could be said to have embraced 'civic nationalism' while Pakistan went crazy. During the Bangladesh War, a Pakistani Army commander instructed his troops to rape as many Bengali women as possible so as to change the DNA of the next generation. I suppose, one could say Hindu India inherited more in the way of 'civic' institutions from the Brits.  

He did not just see Western and non-Western nationalisms as different,

His book came out just when the influence of racialist theories was at a peak.  

but came to believe they were, in effect, totally different phenomena.

Coz only Nordics are nice. Everybody else is shit.  

Kohn argued that Western nationalisms were ‘based upon liberal middle-class concepts … pointing to a consummation in a democratic world society’,

Nonsense! In England we might speak of Henry V at Agincourt while the French may gas on about Joan of Arc. The Swiss, of course, have William Tell. No doubt, Kohn thought Joan was a solicitor while William had a flourishing practice as an actuarial scientist.  

while central and eastern European nationalisms derived from ‘irrational and pre-enlightened concepts … tending towards exclusiveness’.

After the American Revolution, loyalists had to flee. On the other hand, it is true that General Custer used to go out of his way to invite Native Americans to his birthday party. Jim Crow was about giving up your seat on the bus if a nice African American lady, like Rosa Parks, looked like she might want to sit down.  

The enlightened Western ones, he claimed, developed in France,

Vichy France?  

the UK and the US, the primordial superstitious ones in Germany,

The Holy Roman Empire defined that nation's borders. The Elector of Brandenburg only got to be a King once he conquered non-German territory- viz. Prussia. Incidentally, the Hapsburg Emperors tended to be the head of that Empire till Napoleon spoilt everything. Kohn didn't understand that a Nation can be subdivided into lots of Princedoms and Duchies and Archbishoprics etc.  

before spreading across the rest of central and eastern Europe and, eventually, the world.

Eurocentric much? The truth is Greece only started to unite in response to Persian expansionism. Rome created a sense of Italian nationalism. The Old Testament speaks of many nations- 'goyim'- some of which founded great Empires. But then King Solomon, too, ruled a great realm.  

The backwardness of all non-Western countries apparently made it all but predetermined that the latter would win out over the former.

Japanese nationalism- which celebrated a divine Emperor- was nothing like Western nationalism. Neither was that of Gandhi or al Afghani. As for the Bolsheviks- they were sui generis. China followed that path- indeed, it follows it still.  

While the distinction between these two kinds of nationhood was known to 19th-century thinkers, the notion that ethnic and civic aspects of nationhood were necessarily in conflict, or that one or the other was purely characteristic of a certain part of Europe, was not.

Kohn does not seem to have known that American 'First Nations' only got US citizenship in 1924. Clearly American nationality was 'ethnic'- non-Caucasians (e.g. Indian were being stripped of citizenship (e.g Bhagat Singh Thind) in the Twenties- not 'civic'.  

Western ‘civic’ nation-states have always been built on the dominance of certain ethnic groups with their own language, traditions and myths of origin and distinctiveness.

Not necessarily. In Spain, all Basques were given 'hidalgo' status. Minorities who were dominant in a particular region might be well treated or even respected for their slightly exotic provenance. 

Indeed, the assimilation of minorities into the dominant ethnicity in Western nation-states was celebrated as progress.

In the case of Welsh speakers this backfired. A perceived insult to them from Westminster led to a great educational effort such that Wales began to supply more and more intellectuals to the country. Under Lloyd George they got their revenge on the effete English aristocracy in the shape of 'death duties'. I suppose, since the Tudors were of Welsh origin, it is they who rule over us rather than the other way around.  

Central and eastern European nationalists did not ‘reject’ the civic values of their Western counterparts but tried to follow them closely.

There was a difference between more urbanized, industrialized, areas- like the Czech territories- and those which were more agricultural- e.g. much of Poland. But this is about economics, not ideology.  

They acknowledged civic rights for all that lived in a given nation-state but sought – like their Western counterparts – to eventually see all ethnic, linguistic or religious minorities assimilated into the general civic nation that was ultimately shaped by the dominant ‘state-forming’ ethnic group.

No. They could go for the 'cantonized' Swiss model with different languages being used in different provinces. Canada is bilingual. So was Finland from 1863 onward.  

They were in awe of the assimilatory power of the English language and its culture in Britain or North America,

Tell that to the Quebecois! 

and of the French equivalents ultimately defined in and around Paris. That German or Hungarian nationalists wanted to see Slavs or Jews shed their culture and become true Germans and Hungarians did not reflect some ‘irrational and pre-enlightened’ exclusivism. It simply reflected the reality of the Western nation-state.

It also reflected the fact that those Germans or Hungarians wanted to rule over lots of territory not occupied by Germans or Hungarians. Ideally, everybody would speak their language and obey their orders. 

The reality is, Switzerland was a 'Western nation-state' and had lots of languages. After the Sonderbund War (which was about the expulsion of the Jesuits) a stronger Federal Government was formed in 1848, but the country remained multi-ethnic and a model of 'subsidiarity'. 

Nevertheless, in nationalism studies, this geographic distinction between Western civic and non-Western (or ‘Eastern’) ethnic nationalism remains one of the most deeply engrained orthodoxies.

Only stupid people go in for 'nationalism studies'.  

The problem is it simply isn’t true. To understand how this misleading but influential view took shape, it is necessary to understand how the descent into ethnic extremism in early 20th-century central Europe shaped the enduring works of early theorists of nationalism. Many of whom – like Kohn himself – were ultimately shaped by its consequences, their work marked by a deep desire to discover where the histories of their homelands had ‘gone wrong’.

So just say 'Kohn was stoooopid.' and be done with the matter.  


Kohn was born in 1891 in Austria-Hungary, perhaps the most bewildering state in modern European history. In fact, it wasn’t one state at all, but two. The half colloquially referred to as Austria consisted of three kingdoms,

While the UK consisted of three Kingdoms and one Principality. Prior to Victoria's accession. Hanover was in personal union with the UK. But Victoria became Empress of India at about the time her daughter became German Empress.  

six duchies, two archduchies, a grand duchy, two margraviates, two princely counties and a free city, all with their own unique histories, identities, flags, forms of patriotism, celebrations of belonging and more. The other, Hungarian half itself had a kingdom within a kingdom in Croatia-Slavonia.

The Germans weren't too bad but the Hungarians were kray kray.  

What united all these political entities was

the Army backed up by a fairly efficient civil service. Austria-Hungary was experiencing quite rapid economic growth but the Germans looked to Berlin while everybody else, except the Jews, dreamed of the reconstitution of their own ancient Kingdoms.  

the emperor-king Franz Joseph, who sat atop the Habsburg dynasty that had ruled most of these polities for centuries. With two brief interruptions, the Hapsburg family, from the 15th century to 1866, had acted as hereditary heads of the entirety of today’s Germany,

which was not united- more particularly during the wars of religion 

first as Holy Roman Emperors and then as ‘heads of the presiding power’ of the German Confederation,

which was useless. 

itself consisting of 39 different German states.

Russia had propped up the monarchies of Europe in 1848- the year history reached a turning point but failed to turn. After the Crimean War, it was obvious that Kings and Emperors would have to arrive at some sort of modus vivendi with the urban middle-classes.  

This bewildering political tapestry did not make for simple nation-building on the Western model.

The Napoleonic model- maybe. But that required a kick-ass army.  

France and Britain were centralised,

they were more urbanized and industrialized. But the Dutch Republic had been ahead of both.  

but central Europe was decentralised.

It was more agricultural. This meant the Church and the Nobility had more of a role.  

The former had dominant national languages, but the latter was extremely multilingual.

Which wasn't a big problem. Urban folk spoke good enough German and they could give orders in the mother tongue to rustic soldiers or factory hands.  

The former had strong centres of political authority, the latter diffuse and overlapping ones. Kohn’s hometown of Prague was the historical capital of the Kingdom of Bohemia

Historically, it was educationally ahead and represented an island of industrial development. The Slovaks were more rural.  

sandwiched between the Austrian duchies to the south and the rest of Germany to the north. It was a prime example of the kind of national complexities arising from this complicated Habsburg inheritance.

No more so than Swansea or Cardiff in the nineteenth century. People in town spoke the elite language with fluency. People coming in from the countryside did not. 

In the 18th and 19th centuries, Bohemian natives nurtured wildly different visions of their homeland’s place in a possible national state. Most German-speaking Bohemians envisioned it as a part of Germany or a German-dominated Austrian state. Nationally conscious Bohemian Slavs variously imagined it as part of a wider Slavic-Austrian state, a more narrowly ‘Czechoslovak’ one, a purely Czech one, or even a bilingual Czech-German nation-state.

Only after 1871 did the idea that civic borders should conform to ‘objective’ national ones based on ethnic criteria come to prominence

Because Prussia hadn't just taken down Austria's pants and made fun of its puny genitals. It had also kicked Napoleon III's ass.  

The problem for the Czechs was that, on the one hand they benefited from having a bigger market within the Austro-Hungarian Empire, whereas, on the other, regaining their ancient glory would involve hostile linguistic minorities or else a large rural population which would resent their dominance. 

The problem faced by all nationalisms emerging out of central Europe before 1918 was that no ethnic nation was congruent with the state.

The bigger problem was that lots of states wanted to push their borders outward. Sometimes this was for strategic reasons. At others, it was simple greed.  

Insofar as German or Czech-speaking nationalists in Bohemia, for example, saw their nation as the one truly representative of the kingdom, they would have to assimilate their rivals against their will. Or, as Kohn maintained, ‘redraw the political boundaries in conformity with ethnographic demands’, supposedly one of the tenets of ‘non-Western’ nationalisms.

France and Britain and the US had no objection to helping themselves to attractive real estate. I personally want to reconquer Calais so I can get duty-free booze.  

Somewhat bizarrely considering nationalism captivated Europe only in the 19th century,

Nationalism triumphed with the Reformation. Before that it was possible to believe there was something called 'Christendom'. It wasn't really true as the Anglo-French wars showed but some people pretended to believe in it. Once you had national churches- e.g. the Anglican Church in England and the Presbyterian Church in Scotland and the Dutch Reformed Church or the Prussian Union of Churches- nobody could pretend that Nationalism hadn't triumphed. Thus, the Kaiser didn't become the Emperor of Germany. He was the 'German Emperor'.  

Kohn concluded The Idea of Nationalism with the 18th, content that he had discovered the roots of the two nationalisms by then.

Egyptian nationalism existed in the eighteenth century BC. Sadly a bunch of foreigners- the Hyksos- invaded. The Egyptians were not pleased. 

Yet the historical record contains very few demands from 18th- or even 19th-century eastern and central Europeans for the redrawing of borders.

This would be news to the Poles.  Stanisław August Poniatowski may not have been a great King but he, like other Poles, wanted to restore the greatness of his country. The Irish were just as passionate and just as tragic. 

The first example of ‘objective’ ethnographic measures being used as the basis for border changes in Europe was in the Franco-Prussian War in 1871,

because this favored the winning side. One may ask why the Prussians exchanged Belfor for territory near Metz. I suppose the heroic defense put up by its people convinced them that occupation would be resisted.  

and there its goal is only the exchange of a few villages on the initiative of an entrepreneurial statistician.

Diplomats and politicians use Statistics in the same way that a drunk uses a lamp-post- i.e. more for support than illumination.  


Only in the decades after 1871 did this idea that civic borders should conform to ‘objective’ national ones based on ethnic criteria come to prominence.

Talleyrand had popularized the notion that 'natural borders' promoted peace. However the wars of German or Italian reunification were about ethnic nationalism. So were the Hungarian uprisings and the Polish uprisings and so forth.  

Importantly, it arose with the maturity of nationalist movements, not at their birth. For most of the 19th century, we find political or civic nations in central Europe seeking to assert their rights to manage their own affairs while opening up the boundaries of the nation to people of wildly diverse religious or linguistic backgrounds.

Nonsense! Nobody was trying to bring in Africans or Chinese or Indian people. Even the influx of Russian Jews fleeing pogroms could be resented. England, for the first time in is history, brought in immigration controls in 1905. It also interned Germans during the Great War.

In return, however, they asked for assimilation, that outsiders identify with the political community of the state and its leading ethnic group.

Or religion or, at a later time, ideology. More generally, what a state wants from foreigners living within its borders is that they pay taxes or contribute to national security- e.g. Chinese laborers in France during the Great War. They may not want to assimilate them if this means paying them the same wage or giving them the same professional or business opportunities.

Sometimes – as in Bohemia – competing claims arose about the question of which ethnic group had the right to be identified with the political nation.

Many Sudetens preferred Czech rule for economic reasons. Sadly, the Great Depression hurt industrial areas more than proportionately. There was also the problem that Poland wanted to take a bite of the country. 

Scholars usually date the emergence of modern nationalism to the 18th century.

If the date modernity to that period, then they are bound to do so.  

But it’s also true that the word ‘nation’ has been used in Europe for centuries.

It was used in the Old Testament.  

What changed is the modern claim that nations consist of the ‘masses’

masses exist in cities. We are speaking of urbanization and industrialization. But then Rom started off as a City-state.  

and the modern nationalist assertion of the rights of those masses to statehood.

I suppose you could say Czech nationalism got a boost when Prague as it ceased to be German majority after about 1860.  

That’s what we call ‘nationalism’.

Unless we prefer to call it populism or Fascism or something of that sort.  

But for a long time before modern nationalism, the word ‘nation’ frequently referred to political nations in premodern Europe

More particularly, it applied to invading tribes- e.g. the Goths or Franks- who established Kingdoms and converted to Christianity.  

That is, the nation as a corporate group consisting of those whose rights and privileges marked them out as a distinct group in and above society. Whose privileges made them the group that ruled society, complete with their own language, customs, traditions and identity.

e.g. the Normans in England and Ireland 

This is why one of the great innovations of the French Revolution was the extension of nationhood through political emancipation to the broad masses of French society.

France was playing catch-up with England which had chopped off the head of its King a century and a half previously.  

The nobilities of the Habsburg-ruled kingdoms – of diverse ethnic and linguistic origins – had strong and well-developed conceptions of belonging to a common nation.

Not the Hungarians. Nor the Poles, like Count Rozwadowski who seamlessly transitioned from being an Austro-Hungarian General to being Poland's Chief of Staff during the Battle of Warsaw. One could go on. 

So strong, in fact, that they resisted incorporation into the kind of centralised absolutist states characteristic of 18th-century Europe.

Even Prussia under Fredrick the Great wasn't that centralized.  

The Habsburg Monarchy was nearly torn apart by the pressures of such policies pursued by Joseph II, who rescinded most of them on his deathbed in 1790.

The Hapsburgs, served a purpose. It was in the interest of Russia and England to keep it together. Even Napoleon saw it had its uses.  What did for them was the crazy Hungarians. 

In the kingdoms of Bohemia, Hungary and Croatia, nationalism was pioneered in the 19th century by patriotic nobles keen to assert their ‘state right’. That is, their political sovereignty as a corporate nation with the right to manage their own affairs.

The decline of Ottoman Turkey made this inevitable. Still, but for Tzarist Russia's Pan-Slav obsession (shared by Narodniks), perhaps the Empire could have limped along under more favorable economic circumstances.  

They were aided by small groups of middle-class publicists and scholars who, under the strong influence of German romanticism, sought to reform and cultivate vernacular languages native to the kingdoms,

This had already happened during the Baroque period.  

build narratives of historical continuity for the nations, and educate the broader masses in order to make them productive members of the nation at large.

Or give idle folk an entertaining book to read. 

Kohn saw exactly this romantic veneration of the common folk as the root of reactionary non-Western nationalism.

Nobody does 'folksy' like an American politician. Yet, as Marx pointed out, America was more modern than any country in Europe.  

He even claimed in The Idea of Nationalism that, after 1806, local central European elites proclaimed ‘the uniqueness of the folk … as an aggressive factor in the struggle against Western society and civilisation.’

Against French Imperialism? Sure. But Napoleon, too, celebrated his peasant soldiers- each of whom carried in his knapsack the baton of a Marshall of France. 

An exaggeration of the role played by some nationalist publicists during the Napoleonic Wars, whose vitriolic anti-French views were more important to Wilhelmine or First World War-era German nationalists than 19th-century ones.

This is not a complete sentence. The plain fact is ultra-nationalists in Germany looked to Luther who said ' I, the German prophet seek salvation and blessedness not for myself but for the Germans." But Luther himself saw John Huss, who had a similar position for the Czechs, as a hero.

German liberal nationalists of the first half of the 19th century contrasted their envisioned nation-state not with Western society and civilisation, but with the reactionary princely confederation in which they lived.

Disraeli, in 'Vivian Gray' painted a vivid picture of the smaller, more badly ruled, German principalities.  

When national revolts broke out in Greece or Poland, German nationalists cheered their fellow Europeans fighting for freedom against despotic regimes.

So did the Brits who also supported the Latin American revolutionaries.  

They largely recognised the liberal struggle as a cosmopolitan European one, not as a narrowly German one nor as one that existed in opposition to ‘the West’.

Germans decided that Shakespeare was one of their own because Anglo-Saxons were Teutonic. Then they decided they were Aryans- like the Hindus. I was born in 'Benares on the Rhine' which turned Sanskrit philology into a heavy industry.  


England and France as bastions of progress and civilisation presented models for admiration, emulation, and – occasionally – envy.

But Holland had been superior to either at an earlier period. 

In the 1830s and ’40s, Hungary’s generation of reform nobles who transformed the country’s social and political life were enamoured by England, as were many German intellectuals. England seemed to represent everything that their countries lacked in terms of national and political life, where the prosperity created by liberal social and political ideas allowed for the full flourishing of national life.

Because of industrialization and a vast oceanic mercantile trade. However, Germany had already begun to influence England through Coleridge, Carlyle and the Prince Consort.  Young girls started studying German, though speaking that language makes you ugly, so as to turn into the next George Eliot. 

The most difficult question faced by liberal nationalists in ‘non-Western’ countries was not how to redraw borders to make nation and state congruous. It was rather how to reconcile the model provided by France, England or the US with their own circumstances.

France was a bad model. Proportional representation is a bad idea.  

In other words, how to transform the civic nation from a narrow noble elite

the 'civic nation' had three estates. Burghers or guild masters or prosperous farmers gained a degree of enfranchisement one way or another. Service to the State was another route into the nobility.  

to a broader public of educated middle-class men from a confusing collection of linguistically and politically diverse states tied together by the House of Habsburg.

This problem had been solved long ago. The King decided who was or wasn't noble with either letters patent or attainder. There might be a 'nobility of the robe' as well as one of the sword. In Tzarist Russia and Manchu China, service to the state was required or else there was one degradation of status in the table of nobility per generation. However, some ancient Princely lines were exempt. 

In 1848, a series of revolutions broke out across Europe.

In England, this was crushed quickly enough. Tzar Nicholas helped the Austrians suppress the revolution in Hungary and urged the Prussian King to backtrack. 

Terrified at the sight of disgruntled masses in the streets, European monarchs made once-unthinkable concessions. They called democratically elected assemblies, drafted constitutions and ratified liberal laws. Though by 1850 the revolutions would be defeated – the assemblies closed, constitutions revoked and laws overturned – they had given the middle-class liberal nationalist public its first taste of politics.

Napoleon had done that. With that dynasty restored in Paris, liberals thought history had turned in their favor. They did not foresee that it would be Cavour and Bismark who would unify their respective countries. The disillusionment of the Russian liberals was more extreme after about 1866 when the 'Liberator' Tzar was almost assassinated and started to backtrack.  

In 1848, a German National Assembly formed in Frankfurt where revolutionaries produced the first draft constitution for a German nation-state. Hungary, meanwhile, adopted a raft of liberal legislation in spring 1848 that transformed it into a modern parliamentary state. The realisation of the right of ‘historic’ nations like Hungary and Germany (as well as Italy and Poland) to statehood would have meant a de facto partition of central Europe among these four nation-states. Revolutionaries across Europe celebrated the prospect, dismissing the objections of Czechs, Slovaks or Slovenes who would be subsumed in the German or Hungarian nation-states as the cries of ‘unhistoric’ nations or mere ‘fragments of peoples’.

Indeed. The fact is Kings and Emperors served a useful purpose. They could provide a modicum of minority protection- for a fee. 

None of these nationalist movements sought to withhold civic rights to members of ethnic minorities.

Sadly, all of them did. This guy might have heard of the Romani people. Hitler killed lots of them. What civic or civil rights did they have?  

Rather, they expected them to assimilate,

otherwise they had no civic rights- e.g. the right to hold particular civic offices 

as did those minorities who lived in prosperous, progressive Western states.

Like England where Jews to sit in the House of Commons in 1858. Atheists had to wait till 1888. 

As one deputy asked in the Frankfurt Parliament

which had seven Jews 

in 1848: ‘What would the French say if the Breton, Basque and old Ligurian fragments of peoples declared they no longer wanted to be French?’

The problem the liberals faced was that Austria said either its entire Empire would join or none of it would. This meant they had to offer the crown to Prussia which knew it would be worthless unless the other German Princes agreed.  

Deference to the Western nation-state – where the supposedly most advanced ethnic group in the state had become the core of a democratic civic nation – was a common point made in prerevolutionary Hungary as well.

France may have fitted the bill because of the centrality of Paris but Britain did not. Try telling the Scots they are inferior to the English in any way. They will give your head to play with.  

The politician Ferenc Pulszky, who himself had travelled extensively in Britain, asked in the 1840s: ‘What do we Hungarians demand of the Slavs[?] … we demand nothing more than what the English ask of the Celtic inhabitants of Wales and high Scotland, nothing more than the French ask of Brittany and Alsace.’

The British Royal family make a point of appearing more Scottish than the Scots. Actually, the majority of Scots are descended from English speakers and never wore the Tartan. Apparently, there is now a Pakistani Tartan. I must say, the Scots are very good at assimilating people unlike the Irish who are still not allowing me to return to my ancestral homeland to claim the throne of Iyerland. Admittedly, I only do this when I am drinking Jameson. 

Pulszky could not see why the civic model of nationhood could work for France but not Hungary.

Hungarians be kray kray.  

Perhaps 40 per cent of the country spoke Hungarian – not enough to claim that only Hungarian be used in public life

Also Hungarians be kray kray. Not the women- strangely enough. It's just the over-sexed dudes. Very clever, but kray kray.  


The Western nation-state was a model for some, but a warning for others. From the enslavement of people of African descent

which happened a lot in Africa

and the displacement of native Americans in the US

or the displacement WASPs fear at the hands of Vivek Ramaswamy who has gone to Springfield, Ohio, with the express purpose of eating everybody's puppy dog or pussy cat. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Palghat Iyers are crypto-Iyengars who are making unfounded allegations that I put garlic in my sambar. You don't see Kamala Harris saying any such thing. Her mother brought her up to be better than that. That's why, come November, I'll be rooting for the first African American President to become an Iyer by displaying political imbecility of a higher order than Sleepy Joe. 

to the suppression of minority languages and dialects in France to the disenfranchisement of Catholics in the UK and the gradual elimination of Celtic languages,

Sadly, minority languages can die out by themselves without any suppression.  

Western nationalisms were predicated on the homogenising force of a dominant national group that gave no quarter to national minorities in public life.

This also happened in the East and the South and the North without there being any nationalism or, indeed, despite it seeking to preserve an ancestral tongue.  

Unsurprisingly, representatives of national minorities in German states and in Hungary near-universally refused to accept subordinate status in someone else’s nation-state. Or to recognise that the nation-state belonged to groups that were themselves minorities.

This was because they had a better option. But a multi-lingual language may accept a minority language or even one which hardly anyone speaks- e.g. Urdu in Pakistan or Bahasa Indonesia or Swahili in East Africa.  

Though Bohemia’s elites overwhelmingly spoke German, the majority of Bohemians were Czech speakers. Hungary, meanwhile, was perhaps the most linguistically diverse country in Europe. German dominated its cities, Hungarian the nobility, and Latin served as the official language until 1844. Yet the masses spoke an array of Slavic, Romance, Germanic and Hungarian vernaculars. Only perhaps 40 per cent of the country spoke Hungarian (even by the 1880 census, it was only 46.5 per cent), a plurality but not enough to claim that only Hungarian could be used in public life.

Given the examples set by Western countries,

Switzerland? 

it makes sense that Hungarian nationalists presumed that the predominant national vernacular would be the linguistic rallying point for national development.

No. They were kray kray and thought they could revive some long lost National glory.  

France, the US and the UK were all home to enormous ethnic, linguistic and racial minorities. But these minorities were either assimilated to the dominant nationality or excluded from national life altogether.

French and English had a copious literature and were, indeed are, very useful. There was also a time when serious scholars needed to learn German.  

Conversely, there was little reason to expect that nationally conscious Czechs should have accepted that their state was fundamentally German.

There was no such need. Austria showed it could accommodate reasonable demands for mother tongue instruction and local administration. The problem was that the Hungarians were kray kray.  

Or that Hungary’s numerous nationally conscious minorities – Croats with their own subordinate kingdom, Slovaks concentrated heavily in the north, or Romanians who formed majorities in large swathes of Transylvania – should have accepted the conflation of a Magyar ethnic nation with a Hungarian state.

Magyar has only 13 million native speakers. They were crazy to think they could be a great power.  

In either case, this had little to do with any kind of distinct idea of nationalism but was caused by inherent contradictions in the model of the idealised Western nation-state in a central European context.

Everybody's ideal of their own nation-state was one when they themselves were super-important. Sadly, even if you have your ideal nation-state all the problems of economics and geopolitics and ideology would remain. 

Despite such conflicts and contradictions, central European nationalists did not reject the civic nation.

They didn't reject the rule of law. Sadly, total war tends to put an end to it- more particularly if you are bound to lose.  

The final draft of the revolutionary constitution produced by the Frankfurt Parliament declared in the most straightforward civic terms: ‘The German people consists of the citizens of the states that form the German Empire.’

There was no German Empire. There could be if various Kings and Dukes paid allegiance to an Emperor. But Prussia had to defeat Austria for that to happen. 

In 1868, a year after the creation of Austria-Hungary out of a unitary Austrian Empire, the new Hungarian government wrote into the constitution that there would be only a single Hungarian nation. Multiple ‘nationalities’ were also recognised, but there was only a single civic nation. Anyone could be a member, but they had to speak, dress and effectively become a Magyar.

The picture was more complicated. The Hungarians made a compromise with the Croats but tended not to honor the agreement. Still, in the Great War, after Germans, Magyar speakers were considered the most loyal troops. Still, there were indications that Hungary wasn't greatly enthused by a war in which victory would mean greater German glory. One opposition politician- Mihaly Karolyi- was trying to do a separate deal with the Entente in return for a guarantee of the Kingdom's borders. 

It was an outrage to minority nationalists, but surely no less of an outrage than the national development of Western nation-states.

It may have been an outrage to the new educated class of teachers and petty officials that another language was dominant but peasants and factory workers were little concerned with such matters. The attempt to revive Gaelic in Ireland failed. Though it is a compulsory subject at School only about two percent use it everyday. Welsh may be doing better. However, it is in Belgium and Holland that language is currently a divisive issue. 

The French Ministry of Public Instruction found in 1863 that at least a quarter of the country spoke no French at all. For the millions of Occitans in the south – whose Romance tongue was at least related to standard French – to Celtic Bretons in the northwest, rebellious Corsicans and totally unique Basques in the southwest, ‘becoming French’ entailed assimilation into a language and culture that was not quite theirs.

The Franks spoke a Germanic language. The Gauls knew that they had been Romanized. Still, there was some trading of insults between the 'lazy' Southerner and the had working Breton.  

The congruence of the French ethnic and civic nations was not a result of pure ideas, but of decades – centuries even – of nation-building.

Lots of Belgians and Swiss people speak French. If more and more French people came to speak French or Italians came to speak Italian, it was because of economic growth which in turn meant money was available for schools. But, even then, parents only sent their kids to those schools if it raised their life-time earnings.  

In the latter half of the 19th century, international statisticians

there were no such beasties. Some governments had National statistics. Most did not. Prince Albert had a bee in his bonnet about standardizing weights and measurements. He got some Belgian to arrange 'International Conferences' which failed completely. The UK only went metric when I was a kid though I still buy my vegetables by the pound and my beer by the pint. 

were faced with a seemingly intractable question: how could a nation be measured objectively?

Statisticians had no power. Whatever questions they were faced with mattered to nobody at all. Lord Palmerston had power. He could tell Russia and Austria to fuck the fuck off and let the Swiss Protestants chuck the fucking Jesuits out of Switzerland and turn it into a proper Federal Republic.  

From the 1850s, a series of conferences had brought together statisticians from across Europe and North America in an attempt to harmonise how countries collected statistics around the world. In 1872, they endorsed the notion that ‘mother tongue’ could determine the boundaries of nationalities.

Fuck off! Wars determined those boundaries. The mother tongue of the Algonquin or the Iroqois didn't matter at all. On the other hand, a census could usefully record mother tongue as well as gender and occupation.  

But this was not a universally recognised measure. The following year, the newly founded International Commission on Statistics tasked three Austro-Hungarians with tackling the problem head-on.
Karl von Czoernig had made a pretty good ethnographic map of the Empire. 
The Austro-Hungarians couldn’t agree. One put forward the civic idea of conscious self-identification, another the ethnic idea that it was ‘racial’, and the third simply argued it was a complicated mix that was difficult to measure universally.

The thing was complicated. One might only speak one's mother tongue to one's grandmother but one could probably get up to speed with it pretty quickly. Equally, one might not want to be seen as belonging to a particular linguistic community- like me pretending I'm actually Chinese. 

The tensions between civic and ethnic nationalisms were on full display, but they had little to do with geography.

No. That tension is only on full display when ethnic cleansing occurs. Nobody cares about statisticians or sociologists or academics of various types.  

Their range of opinions came at a time in the late 19th century in which ethnic nationalism was increasingly influential across the continent, inspired by the rise of racialist thinking, eugenics and social Darwinism.

Spain chucked out the Jews and Moriscos. But ethnic cleansings and 'folk wanderings' were much older. Apparently some of the Britons chased out by the Anglo Saxons became Bretons and returned with William the Conqueror. Germany may have started the Second World War to grab territory to its East but it ended up losing a lot of land. But shite like this has been going down since the time of the Neanderthals. 

By the turn of the 20th century, young radicals across Europe put forth ethnic conceptions of nationhood in which Jews especially were singled out as being a foreign element supposedly unable to be a member of the political community of the nation.

Everybody forgets the Gypsies.  

But the appearance of antisemitism did not signal a quick triumph among nationalisms with long traditions of Jewish assimilation. In the years up to 1918, the majority of German Jews insisted that they were simply ‘German citizens of the Jewish faith’. Jews in Hungary were no less assimilated. In Austria and Bohemia, most Jews were German-speakers who similarly identified themselves as German.

During the Great War, Polish Jews felt their lives got better under German occupation. Incidentally, the British Ambassador to the Sublime Porte thought the Jews were behind the Young Turk movement. My point is that secular, educated, middle class, Jews were likely to be Nationalists or Socialists or Liberals or espouse some other such ideology as a substitute for their ancestral religion. Zionism was compatible with other convictions- e.g. Socialism or, for British Jews, British Imperialism. 

Kohn was one such German-speaking Jewish Bohemian. He embraced Zionism prior to the First World War, at a time when it was a tiny movement among the elite,

Poorer Jews, at least in England, tended to be more well versed in the most advanced political ideologies than 'the elite' which was preoccupied with dressing for dinner and going shooting or hunting with the aristocracy. In Dublin, Leopold Bloom was well up on the latest Zionist propaganda. He was lower middle class. 

and assimilated, Jewish communities of central Europe. After stints in Paris and London, he ended up in Palestine in the mid-1920s hoping to live his Zionist beliefs. After a wave of violent riots broke out there in 1929, Kohn grew disillusioned. The same ‘spirit of extreme nationalism among [Austria-Hungary’s] peoples’ that had made the ‘building of a peaceful multiethnic state’ he saw manifesting itself in Palestine too. He opted to abandon Palestine for the US, where he settled in 1933.

This was sensible enough. American Jews were always more conflicted about Israel than British or Russian Jews. In the former case, the assumption was that Israel would be virtually a Commonwealth country. In the latter, any place looked good which was out of reach of the Cossacks. 


Unlike in the empire of his youth, or the Jewish state of his dreams, in the US Kohn thought he had found a country in which nationalism as a progressive and tolerant force had produced a truly just and liberal society.

Because Kohn was White. 

The contrast between this US reality and the exclusivist ambitions of German, Zionist or Czech nationalists deeply moved the former lawyer-cum-historian.

I suppose he wasn't tuning into Father Coughlin on the Radio.  

Nationalism, he concluded, was not the problem, but only a certain ‘type’ of non-Western nationalism.

The problem with Nationalism is that it can lead to your launching unwinnable wars. But no 'ism' has a monopoly on stupidity.  

But nationalisms – both Western and non-Western – contain a complicated mixture of civic and ethnic factors, excluding some while offering others the chance for inclusion through assimilation.

No. A nationalism can have the rule of law such that resident aliens can thrive well enough without having any political rights. Saudi Arabia is an example. Assimilation may be not be desirable as it may dilute the entitlements of the 'sons of the soil'.  

The state acts as the most powerful force for both. That’s why historians of nationalism like to say states make nations, not the other way around.

First there were tribes and then, when tribes came together, there were Nations some of which developed a State apparatus. But that had a lot to do with economics.  

Nationalism is, by definition, exclusivist insofar as it excludes those who do not think of themselves as a part of the nation.

Nope. It includes them. Ask a conscript or a guy who has to do jury service or one of those crazy American red-necks who belongs to the 'sovereign citizen movement' and thus thinks he doesn't need to pay taxes.  

Citizenship cannot force people to feel part of a civic nation, just as citizenship does not stop some from trying to exclude others from their ethnic nation.

Citizenship is a matter of law. Either there is the rule of law, or there isn't.  To be more accurate, either- for a given person, legal remedies are accessible or that isn't the case. 

Today, it feels vaguely accurate to say that countries like the US, the UK or France base their national identity on the ‘civic’ nationhood of common citizenship. Poland, Hungary, Czechia or even Russia, on the other hand, appear wedded to a more ethnic idea of nationhood rooted in a common language, traditions and myths of origin.

are Russian speaking Ukrainians, Russian. Zelensky doesn't think so.  

It would be an error to read the world of 2024 into the past, as much as it would be an error to read the world of 1944 into the past.

It would be an error to think economic and strategic considerations don't determine outcomes. The rule then is the same as the rule now- don't start wars you are bound to lose.  

An error to assume that today’s ethnic homogeneity in central and eastern European countries, as well as the inclusive nationhoods of Western democracies, are nothing but the consummation of eternal and essential truths rather than the result of contingent historical events. Unfortunately, this was precisely Kohn’s error.

The only error here is to assume that people who study politics or history aren't as stupid as shit. People who make history or who wield power may use some convenient 'ism' or the ravings of some so-called scholar. But they could always find some other 'ism' or nutter to serve their purpose.  


In many ways, Kohn’s The Idea of Nationalism is really a book about a prototype of the Sonderweg (‘special path’) thesis, seeking to explain where German history had ‘gone wrong’ to such an extent that it led to Nazism.

Germany was playing catch-up and thought it could find shortcuts of various sorts. But what made its path 'special' was its geographical location. It could either dominate or be dominated. With hindsight, it should have settled for the latter option. Germany is safer now its army trains with broomstick handles painted black.  

Why it did not follow the supposedly inclusive path of other Western countries like France, UK and the US but instead went down a fascist path that culminated in the catastrophe of the Second World War and the Holocaust.

Like Italy, there was a clear and present danger from crazy Communists. We have to understand that Fascism was slightly better than Stalinism- till it started picking fights it could not win.  

Yet the US of the 1930s that Kohn was so enamoured with was a country whose extremely restrictive immigration policies sought to retain ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ethnic dominance,

Nonsense! There was large scale Irish and German and Scandinavian and Italian immigration. German-Americans are the single largest ethnic group reflecting the relative poverty of much of Germany. The Americans were also cool with Arab and Persian immigrants. Where the drew the line was at Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc. Indeed, they decided to grant the Philippines independence rather than risk those handsome people coming in and taking their jobs.  

to which end much of the country mandated racial segregation until the 1960s. With few exceptions, over the past three centuries, the building of all modern nation-states required one ethnic group dominating and assimilating others.

Which 'ethnic group' dominates India? I suppose you could say Hindus dominate India. Is there an 'Indian race'? Who can say? But who or what is a 'true born Englishman'? Daniel Defoe gave this answer-

Thus from a mixture of all kinds began,
That het’rogeneous thing, an Englishman:
In eager rapes, and furious lust begot,
Betwixt a painted Britain and a Scot.
Whose gend’ring off-spring quickly learn’d to bow,
And yoke their heifers to the Roman plough:
From whence a mongrel half-bred race there came,
With neither name, nor nation, speech nor fame.
In whose hot veins new mixtures quickly ran,
Infus’d betwixt a Saxon and a Dane.
While their rank daughters, to their parents just,
Receiv’d all nations with promiscuous lust.
This nauseous brood directly did contain
The well-extracted blood of Englishmen.

On the other hand, that 'nation of shop-keepers' proved valorous enough to defend their liberties which they esteemed their highest treasure. 
Looking for the ‘roots’ of central and eastern Europe’s lagging behind the West in modernisation,

was simply a matter of economics. The Western European littoral was bound to develop more rapidly thanks to Oceanic trade. True, Portugal and Spain failed to develop their internal markets and suffered a type of 'resource curse' from their vast Empires. Having crazy monarchs didn't help. 

and also at the horror of Nazism, led Kohn to make anachronistic claims about the long-term ethnic continuity and nature of their nations.

They were good enough for the period.  What was clear was that Europe had been provincialized. It could no longer do 'balance of power' by itself because power had shifted away from it. It would have to give up its colonies and seek peaceful means of gaining affluence. 

Civic and ethnic nationalisms were never two distinct courses of historical development taken by different nations, but in fact two different aspects of the development of almost all modern nation-states.

Nope. People who live and intermarry in a particular place become an ethnos. If they are sufficiently economically developed they may have a state apparatus and something like the rule of law. That's to do with civic and civil and other types of rights for which there are legal remedies. That's it. That's the whole story.  

The tension between them unfolded across the 19th and 20th centuries as nationalism spread across Europe and the world.

Such tensions have been unfolding for millennia. So long as there is scarcity, there will be economics and armies to defend or extend the reach of economies. Still, at the moment, I suppose a journalist could make a bit of money gassing on about East European Nationalism and how it might turn totes evil. Also Nazi vampires from under the earth might rise up any day now. 

Wednesday, 25 September 2024

JP as PJ.

When I was 14 or 15, one of my favorite authors was Arthur Koestler who had visited India in the mid Fifties and who had befriended Jayaprakash Narayan of whom he formed a high opinion. Indians my age, however, had a very low opinion of JP because he and Kripalani had chosen Morarji Desai to be PM in 1977.  Indeed, JP remains, to my mind, the most useless and shitty politician since the Maha-crackpot. 

Still, now the Marxist JVP has come to power in Sri Lanka, the Print.in, has decided to republish this address given by JP in 8 June 1969, to the National Conference on Voluntary Agencies at the Gandhi Peace Foundation.

What are the revolutionary changes that have taken place in India since independence?

It had become unable to feed or defend itself or even avoid Dynastic rule because its Civil Service and Police had become corrupt and sycophantic while its politicians had become criminalized. True, these were gradual or 'evolutionary' changes. India hadn't had a revolution- like Russia or China- and, since it wasn't a Communist country, it qualified for US aid- including food aid- which is why fifty million people hadn't starved to death

Only two changes have seeped down to the roots of the Indian society.

Gandhian stupidity- e.g. 'bhoodan'- was getting competition from Maoist stupidity. 

One is the abolition of princedom

& the rise of the dynastic politician or gangster 

and the other the abolition of the zamindari system.

which was fine if it was accompanied by a 'Green' revolution- i.e. investment leading to higher productivity- but not fine at all if it just meant more and more Malthusian involution such that farmers received free food so as not to starve.  

Zamindari has been destroyed from the roots.

Sadly, in JP's own natal Bihar, what had been destroyed was clear or secure title in agricultural land. Theft was property. Bakunin had been reversed. The question was, could JP's re-entry into electoral politics produce a 'sampoorna kranti' or 'total revolution'? Sure- for the fucking worse! JP opened the door to Lalu's 'Jungle Raj' when kidnapping became the main industry in Bihar. 

But for the rest, feudalism has firmly entrenched itself

JP had an American MA in Sociology. Thus he did not understand that 'feudalism' means there is a King whose vassals hold land in return for military service. No such thing had obtained in India for many centuries.  

especially in ex‑zamindari areas

What he meant was that land had not been collectivized. But Russia and China had to backtrack on collectivization. It was a stupid idea.  

and a capitalist society has come into being,

No. A shitty type of Socialist society had come into being. Capitalism had retreated.  

in spite of all the talk of socialism and communism.

Or all the talk of 'bhoodan' or 'sampoorna kranti' or anything at all which emerged from JP's lips or anus.  

Though the roots of feudalism have been destroyed

they were destroyed centuries prior to the arrival of the British- unless they never existed in the first place.  

with the destruction of the princely order and the zamindari order,

Did JP think Princes and Zamindars had been executed or exiled? Perhaps. He was as stupid as shit.  

no socialist society has come into being during the past twenty-two years.

But the Hindus had established hegemony. Muslims piped small or ran away. As for Socialism, who cared if the Kayastha who was CM of Bihar was a Gandhian or a Marxian or a fucking Coprophagous self-sodomizer? What mattered was to get Forward Caste bums out of the CM seats so equally shitty OBC bums could soil them. 

Feudalism is entrenched in the rural society.

JP was entrenched in the rural society. He genuinely didn't understand that bhoodan was a fraud. It was the Naxals who opened his eyes. It turned out that a guy who said 'I donate 100,000 acres of my land to the poor!' didn't own shit and even if he did, he was careful not to actually sign over title.  

It is everywhere—in U.P., in Bihar—except, perhaps, in the ryotwari areas where it takes a different form.

that of a cat which was also an elephant. But did that cat say 'Mao, Mao!' as is required to properly uproot feudalistic Capitalism and Fascist Self-Sodomization of the Subaltern? No! Ryotwari Cat was saying 'miaow! miaow!' not 'Mao! Mao!'.  

But it does exist there too, though not in the same virulent form as elsewhere.

Why had the peasants not taken the land for themselves? The answer is that other peasants wanted it. There just wasn't enough land. If you could protect your own land, you could also grab the land of your weaker neighbours. Nobody explained this to JP when he was at Uni in America.  

Even if you nationalise, capitalism is there.

Not if you are nationalizing 'sick' (i.e. loss-making) units which will require subsidies to stay afloat. This isn't Capitalism. It is a stupid type of charity.  

In nationalising, what do we do?

piss money against the wall.  

Is there any basic fundamental change in the public sector except the change in ownership and, therefore, in the distribution of surplus or profit?

What fucking surplus? Suppose a gangster says to you 'if you buy any smartphone other than the shitty one I am selling for $ 1000, I will kill you' then what the gangster is gaining is not 'profit' but the fruit of extortion. That was what India was doing. 

Except for that, what is the status of labour?

Irrelevant. Most Indians did not receive a wage at that time. 

What about industrial relations?

Nutters like JP could worsen them- that's true enough. But if the Government had already ensured they couldn't be profitable then this scarcely mattered. To be fair, back then, it was the Commies in West Bengal who did a better job chasing away industry. 

This is not socialism. This is bureaucratism.

Stalin and Mao pretended they were bureaucrats- 'General Secretaries'- of a boring type. The question is, can there be any large organization- public sector, private sector, voluntary sector, political, religious, etc- which does not have a bureaucracy? Still, we can't say that Stalin or Mao's rule was 'bureaucratic'. It was highly autocratic and capricious in the extreme. 

Perhaps JP believed in worker's control of industry. But for large enterprises, there would still be a bureaucracy.  

There is no fundamental change.

India hadn't been conquered or suffered population collapse due to starvation. But that was Uncle Sam's fault.  

I have begun to doubt very seriously whether any government is going to bring about a radical social revolution in India through democratic means.

What 'radical social revolution' is possible where most people don't have enough to eat? JP didn't understand that Marxism is an economic theory. Political revolutions occur because of changes in productive relations. If productivity stagnates, politics stagnates. You may have plenty of factionalism and internecine conflict but what you don't get is socio-economic progress.

When the first non-Congress Government came to power in Bihar,

but still with a Kayastha as CM. 

I made some proposals to those people.

 JP was Kayastha. Sadly, the OBCs had lost patience with the Kayasthas. The next CM was a Koeri and he was followed  as CM by a Yadav. When he resigned to become an MP, a Dalit finally got the chance to become CM. That was revolutionary. JP, being Kayastha, didn't notice. I suppose JP and Lohia were useful in two ways- firstly they helped OBCs take power and secondly they enabled the RSS/Jan Sangh to gain experience in coalition government- something which is coming in useful now. 

During those ten months, not an inch of progress was made towards any of these things.

To be fair, it was a miracle the coalition hung together for ten months. The next CM lasted only 4 days.

Take the case of share-croppers.

Whose condition has worsened relative to the owners who are able to corner all the Government benefits available to agriculturists. Still, if they have the sense to emigrate then their kids' life-chances will soon be better than that of the peasant proprietor's progeny. 

We hear about the Naxalites. I have every sympathy with the Naxalbari people.

But none for 'Capitalists' who create jobs and who don't kill people.  

They are violent people.

Unless they were killed with vim and vigour in which case they became sweet and nice or ran far far away. 

But I have every sympathy with them because they are doing something for the poor. 

They are ensuring that their numbers will increase. The CPI(ML), which started off as an anti-Lin Biao splinter group- has 2 MPs and 12 MLAs in Bihar.  

There is some limit to the patience of the people.

They lost patience with Morarji & the Janata party quickly enough. Thankfully, JP did not live to see Indira return to power. 

Why cannot the question of share-croppers be settled?

Because you need a competent administration to maintain a land registry and ensure tenants have documentary evidence regarding their rights in the land. JP didn't get that his and Bhave's 'bhoodan' scheme was bound to fail because nobody bothered with such 'bureaucratic' details.  

The law gives them certain rights. After they cultivate a piece of land for so many years, they get occupancy rights and they cannot be evicted. But in Bihar and Bengal the landowner is free to evict them, and he does evict them.

Why evict when you can kill? No wonder, JP sympathized with the Naxals. True revolution means the very very poor kill the very poor. Then everybody starves to death. 

What do you think is happening in Purnea and other areas?

Nothing good, if JP had a hand in it. 

Thousands of share-croppers are being evicted because the landowners have the right to resume the land; because these poor people do not have even a chit to prove that the land was in their cultivating possession.

Because JP and his ilk's 'bhoodan' movement was utterly useless. Why couldn't the cunt have gotten behind a land registration drive? The CPM would do so in West Bengal at the end of the Seventies. This kept them in power for 30 years. 

They cannot prove it in a court of law.

Hilarious! As if 'courts of law' in Bihar mattered in the slightest. 

These things are happening today and the law is absolutely impotent to help these poor people.

Because they would stay poor no matter what happened. JP didn't understand that raising productivity is the only way to raise living standards. Even if tenants weren't evicted, they would not be able to feed themselves.  

If the law is unable to give to the people a modicum of social and economic justice,

because the country was too poor to enforce the law. You have to feed officers of the state out of the surplus food grown by the farmers in an agricultural country.  

if even whatever is on paper is not implemented,

because of low productivity leading to lack of resources 

what do you think will happen if not violence erupting all over?

Violence can be countered by violence. Instead of growing the economy, people kill each other to get a big enough slice of the cake to be able to survive- till it is their turn to get killed.  

Do you think that mere mantras of shanti are going to save the situation of the political parties which are responsible for this legislation?

Such mantras had proved useless from 1922 onward.  

The very people who pass these laws have seen to it that the laws are not implemented.

by ensuring that productivity could not increase. India was a Socialist country. 

I find that the people are losing hope and they feel that nothing will come out of any government.

JP re-entered politics so governance could get worse. 

When I see the situation of Bihar I also begin to share their feelings.

He was Bihari. He hadn't noticed that the long years he had spent on bhoodan had been completely wasted. The whole of Bihar had been gifted away- Bhave called this 'Bihardaan'- and thus, according to this fairy story, everything belonged to everybody and no distinction between rich and poor was possible.  

One after the other changes in the government have taken place but nothing has changed.

Nitish Kumar set up the Bandhopadhyay Commission in 2007 so as to bring about the sort of change his mentor, JP, had spoken off forty years previously. Quite predictably, it changed nothing. Ten years later another Commission was set up which identified Bhoodan land for redistribution. Currently, the Bhoodan board is suing the State Government for payment of salary to its employees. The State says the charges against them are not true though, quite gratuitously, it has been funding those useless shitheads.

With all the programmes and activities in this Gandhi Centenary Year, if the problems of the people are not solved democratically, what other recourse will the people have except violence?

What alternative had the Government against Naxalites save violence? Of course, if the Naxals stood for elections, they would become just another political party with their own thugs and splinter factions and pre-poll pacts with other caste based parties. 

Therefore I say, what India needs today on her political agenda is non-violent social revolution.

What India needed was an export led growth strategy based on cheap labour. Increasing agricultural  involution by further subdividing small plots of land amongst a peasantry fed by PL480 food would only mean increased dependence on International donors- i.e. not just US food aid but also European Union food aid. Indian independence would mean Indians being feed by the charity of White people. Obviously, this would be unsustainable. Whites must also wipe the bums of darkies. Otherwise, they would be bound to turn violent. 

Not only from the moral point of view but also from the practical point of view, this is one of the essential items on the political agenda of India today.

JP was too stupid to understand that, since 1937, land was a State subject. Bihari land reform was only on the agenda of Bihar.  

Otherwise, violence will grow.

As will kidnapping, extortion and various other types of crime. 

I don’t care about the Naxalite movement.

They could either be killed or used to split the CPM vote. On the other hand, if their taxes were lower than that of the State, why not accept their rule?  

This is going to grow.

It was going to decline. Why confine yourself to killing Naxals when you can kill people who look like they might become Naxals? 

I have been a student of revolutions because I was a Marxist myself.

He should have stuck with Marxism. His mistake was to embrace Bhave's stupid 'bhoodan' fraud. 

My interest in the history of revolutions is as keen today as it ever was.

His brain was as shitty as it ever was.  

My conclusion after a study of violent revolution is that a violent revolution does bring about a revolution in the sense that it uproots the old social order and destroys it from its foundation. Therefore it is looked upon as a successful revolution. But it fails in achieving the objectives for which the revolution is made.

The American Revolution and the British 'Glorious Revolution' succeeded.  

The French Revolution was a great revolution. After that many revolutions have taken place. There was the American Revolution.

It preceded the French Revolution.  

Undoubtedly the feudal system was destroyed from its roots.

The Brits got rid of its last vestige in 1660.  

As a result of the experience of democratic societies in other parts of the world and of democratic government in our own country, I have begun to doubt on the one hand whether social revolution can be brought about by democratic means

The nutter thought the rich landlords would just hand over land to the poor and then everybody would cuddle and kiss. What he didn't understand that India was poor because it had very low productivity. Raising productivity by shifting rural girls into giant factory dormitories so as pursue export-led growth was the only way forward. It didn't matter whether this was done by a dictator or a democracy. It simply had to be done or else agricultural involution would lead to a Malthusian disaster. LBJ, somewhat reluctantly, had saved JP's Bihar from a big famine in the mid-Sixties. JP didn't notice. He truly was as stupid as shit. 

and, on the other, I reject violence as only half the revolution.

It isn't even that. The fact is the lesson of the Telengana uprising was that the Army is better at killing people than so called 'revolutionaries'. It was a different matter that some parts of the country weren't worth governing. The Naxals were welcome to hole up in such places.  

The more important half of it is the betrayal of the people.

By nutters like JP. Why did he choose Morarji- the one man everybody hated?  The answer is obvious. He thought he'd be pulling the strings. But his health had been ruined in Indira's jails and, in any case, Morarji was an obstinate man. He knew his two rivals within the Janata party hated each other more than they hated him. So, he prematurely announced JP's death. Ultimately, Charan Singh was only able to bring him down with Indira's help. After she pulled the rug from under his feet, she returned to power with her son, Sanjay, as her anointed heir. 


I don’t want power for myself; I want power for the people.

But the people were ignorant and stupid. They needed good leadership which would raise their productivity so that they would stop being so fucking poor. JP and his chums could offer no such thing.  

Therefore, I cannot support the Naxalites and I hope to persuade them at some point of time or the other.

JP was so utterly useless that the governing class had not option but to support the Dynasty. What we often forget was that Nehru and Indira were slightly less shit than any Socialist or Gandhian alternative. 

If they want power for themselves and/or the Communist Party, Marxist-Leninist, then it is all right and let them do what they wish. But I would not agree with this.

JP understood that he would be shot as a counter-revolutionary.  

Shri Jyoti Basu said at a recent workers’ meeting in Calcutta: ‘I want factories to be given to the workers.’

He was a politician. Politicians want to give the moon and the stars to their voters.

I would like to know in which Communist country the factories belong to the workers.

There were Capitalist countries where workers' cooperatives ran factories. Fagor, the consumer appliances brand launched by Mondragon in Franco's Spain, did pretty well in the Seventies and Eighties.  

Not a single factory belongs to the workers in any Communist country except, in some respects, in Yugoslavia which the other Communists do not accept as a proper Communist country.

Socialist self-management was pretty corrupt and inefficient, but that may have been a reflection of Society at large.  

The factories belong to the state. They dupe the workers.

No. Workers know if they are working in a nationalized industry. Generally, this means they don't have to do much work.  

They say, ‘the state belongs to you’, as if the workers can do anything with the state.

Why not say 'the whole state of Bihar has been gifted away in 'bhoodan'. Thus all Biharis own everything in Bihar'? That's what Bhave was saying.  

This is the kind of dictatorial set-up that we find in the Communist countries. Where do we go? It is here that Gandhi had something to say.

Sadly, it was nonsense. The truth is spinning cotton on the chakra makes it unusable. Weavers want mill yarn. Also, nobody wants a 'sampoorna kranti' revolution which consists of replacing a bunch of elected 'Gandhian-Socialists' with another bunch of slightly more senile and shitty 'Gandhian-Socialists'. Still, JP- a Kayastha- did pave the way for OBC leaders to take over Bihar. He also helped the Jan Sangh to get a seat at the top table. Thus both Nitish and Narendra Modi owe something to him. However, it was Indira who benefitted most from that crazy coot's antics. After she returned to power, Buta Singh put the boot into the Gandhi Peace Foundation. This was a good thing. Money that they used to waste went to slightly less crazy NGOS.  In end, I suppose, JP, who had sold hair straightener to 'Negros' to finance his studies in America, was a PJ- a poor joke- that the University of Wisconsin (also the alma mater of the nutter Hafizullah Amin who destroyed Afghanistan) played upon the people of India.